I like Swiss cheese on my pizzas...
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I like Swiss cheese on my pizzas...
Is it just me or does this chipman guy remind me of someone...
I see a different resemblance in that last photo.
Edit: well, now you changed the pic, lol.
I apologize if this has been asked already. I've read the proposal a few times and gone over the score sheet. Every weapon in this category that I may or may not own would be considered an SBR. So I ask what exact LAW are they proposing to change ? If it's a RULE change what would I become a felon over ? What LAW would I then be breaking if I had such a weapon ? Please don't roast me too bad, I'm asking an honest question. I like most in our community am just a common working man and don't like thinking that I have a choice between $200 for every weapon or being a felon. Thank you
I like Swiss cheese on my pizzas...
The national Firearms Act of 1934 regulates short barrel rifles and shotguns, as well as machine guns and silencers. This is where the two hundred dollar tax stamp and the firearm registration comes from. If the ATF can redefine a pistol into a short barrel rifle by the addition of an arm brace, it would fall under the 1934 NFA law and would require the owner to register the firearm and pay the tax.
The current leftist regime through the ATF is trying to redefine terms to fit into existing laws because they know that they do not have enough support to pass new laws.
You know honestly, if the ATF was allowed to change an existing law by adding the term "arm brace" to the definition of a rifle, what's to stop them from changing any law by manipulating definitions? Why not define all firearms as fully automatic. The ATF can find a way to word it, they did with the bump stock. That way any firearm made before 1986 would need to be federally registered and a tax paid, and the guns made after 1986 would need to be federally registered and only possessed and transferred between licensed dealers and law enforcement. This would in effect create an almost total gun ban in the US. The arm brace ruling could pave the way for that. Liberals should be worried about this too. What if the term abortion was legally defined as murder? The arm brace ruling could pave the way for that too. The left regime along with the AFT is clearly trying to write laws and that is way beyond their jurisdiction.
The Bump Stock challenge is in the courts now. From what I have read, those in the know feel that it cannot survive.
You know honestly, if the ATF was allowed to change an existing law by adding the term "arm brace" to the definition of a rifle, what's to stop them from changing any law by manipulating definitions? Why not define all firearms as fully automatic. The ATF can find a way to word it, they did with the bump stock. That way any firearm made before 1986 would need to be federally registered and a tax paid, and the guns made after 1986 would need to be federally registered and only possessed and transferred between licensed dealers and law enforcement. This would in effect create an almost total gun ban in the US. The arm brace ruling could pave the way for that. Liberals should be worried about this too. What if the term abortion was legally defined as murder? The arm brace ruling could pave the way for that too. The left regime along with the AFT is clearly trying to write laws and that is way beyond their jurisdiction.
I think the point is they aren’t redefining a rifle by including arm brace. The proposed regulations layout when the ATF considers an arm brace as something really designed to shoulder the firearm and thus a rifle.
I think the ATF is rather full of shit. I think the NFA is full of more shit. But you’ve gotta be shitting me if 95+% of braced pistol owners didn’t buy or build a braced pistol as an end run around the NFA (or here in MD, 29OAL requirements). Is a brace a stock? No?
Maybe? Most braced pistol owners use them as crappy stocks and not actually as braces.
Honestly the brace thing was something bound to happen eventually and I think we all knew it. I am just surprised Maryland or another state didn’t crack down first.
Hopefully we can still fight it successfully, but this one more than 80% I think is going to be a hell of a heavy lift unless we some how manage to make the argument the ATF can’t just make tens of millions of things illegal after tacitly accepting them. I don’t think we are going to win on “no, the ATF is wrong. These are in no way anything like a stock to shoulder the firearm” as that’s what the vast majority of braced pistol owners do with them.
This is an interesting paragraph.
These criteria and worksheet do not
apply to firearms with a smooth bore
that use shotgun ammunition. These
types of firearms, commonly referred to
as ‘‘pistol grip shotguns,’’ were never
designed to be fired from one hand (e.g.,
Mossberg Shockwave, Remington Tac-14). ATF has always classified these
weapons as GCA ‘‘firearms,’’ not
shotguns or pistols, as they do not
incorporate a stock, like a shotgun, and
are not designed to be fired from one
hand, like a pistol. Thus, the addition of
a ‘‘stabilizing brace’’ does not assist
with single-handed firing, but rather
redesigns the firearm to provide surface
area for firing from the shoulder.
If 95% of folks buy an arm brace to circumvent the NFA, maybe it's time to reverse that law. If it is not popular with the majority than why does it exist? Maybe this is the kick in the pants that people need to stand up and say to their representation that this is a bunch of crap and we need to start repealing some of this outdated and unpopular legislation.
Where exactly are the NRA on this? Have they made a statement?
(29)The term “handgun” means—
(A)a firearm which has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand; and
(B)any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraph (A) can be assembled.
Everyone needs to make a comment.
This is a good article to help collect your thoughts.
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/06/11/comment-atf-regulations/
Here is where you go to comment.
https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...5kOyZFfcfwy0TMrU1mXK-p_CR3srupckHLkXYvk-rUsU4