ATF form 4 disapproval
- Thread starter jvegas
- Start date
The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast
Member Benefits:
No ad networks! Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership Discuss anti-gun legislation Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses Discover free outdoor shooting areas View up to date on firearm-related events Share photos & video with other members ...and so much more!
Member Benefits:
If they tax your junk, you'll be broke too !!!
The new WANG tax.
The new WANG tax.
embermage
Active Member
So would this also affect someone doing a Rossi Mare's leg .45LC into an SBR?
clandestine
AR-15 Savant
If they tax your junk, you'll be broke too !!!
The new WANG tax.
I need to move if that happens.
If you Form 1 it, you should be fine.
Form 4's are what seem to be getting punted, because MSP treats (as per the law) SBR's as handguns, and before being offered for sale or transfer, it has to be on the handgun roster.
Form 1 would be building it for yourself, so the roster wouldn't apply.
except that in this case, the reason for ATF's denial is that the SBR is an assault weapon and banned by state law. so far, no indication that the roster has anything to do with ATF's response.
The question I was addressing was about turning a .45LC Mare's Leg into an SBR. Those are lever-action guns; thus, nothing in 281 applies to them. Unless you know something the rest of us don't....
Kingjamez
Gun Builder
Yep, there seems to be a large disconnect right now between what we think the MSP thinks, and what the ATF thinks the MSP thinks.
In actuality, I think a different person at the MSP may be answering questions for the ATF than is answering questions for the FFL's.
I wish the ATF would just cool down and not disapprove everything. They are on a rampage to clear out their backlog, this seems like an easy way to do it.
-Jim
I hear they are going to tax soft beautiful hair next year.
You are gonna be broke.
If this happens I'm screwed.
If they tax your junk, you'll be broke too !!!
The new WANG tax.
If this happens, they will owe ME money....
Maybe someone at MSP thinks any SBR is now an AW which even if it has only one evil feature and is > 29" is not.. If BATFE is using those criteria and lS not checking the roster , why are they being rejected as AW? The rejections are saying AW, not because it's not on the roster. It seems to have ocurred for both Form 1 and Form 4 with the same reason-AW.
This is so FUBAR.
This is so FUBAR.
Last edited:
exactly
Biggfoot44
Ultimate Member
- Aug 2, 2009
- 33,518
And I just received the phone call that my TWO stamps had arrived for SBR evil rifles on a Trust ( pre Oct rifles , submitted pre Oct ).
Seems to me this is all totally random depending on which individual person at ATF handles it.
Seems to me this is all totally random depending on which individual person at ATF handles it.
Blake_7.62
Active Member
- Oct 17, 2010
- 364
Was this submitted pre October 2013?
rsj1231
Ultimate Member
Maybe they're not denying stuff submitted before 10/1? I have a form 1 for a 26" SBR submitted in September that I haven't been disapproved for yet. I also have another form 1 on a 15-22 SBR that's listed at 8" barrel, 26" OAL that was pending in February 2014 that I haven't had word on yet either.
The first form 1 was a paper individual form and the second was e-filed with my trust.
bobthefisher
Durka ninja
I think that's a pretty good assumption thus far. I had two paper Form 1's submitted Sept. 19th and cashed Sept. 28th on my NFA trust. One had an OAL of less then 29 inches. I'll post when I get something back from the ATF, whether approved or disapproved.
Teratos,
When did you say you submitted those Form 1's? I'm trying to track their recent processing times.
A 15-22 should be ok, as it can't be an AW since it's rim fire, and doesn't meet the copycat provisions.
I thought I saw a post that said BATF was assigning one examiner to process all MD Forms? Sure doesn't seem to be the case.
My P556 SBR should be an interesting test case. I initiated the purchase before 10/1, but I don't believe the paperwork got submitted until closer to the end of October (since a form 2 needed to be filled out first). In theory, the receipt for the transfer before 10/1 should save me on that, I suppose.
I'll restate for the record that my form 4 Glock SBR (check cashed early September) came through just fine last week.
I also have a pair of form 1s I filled out last month on non-ALGs (9mm DDLES, SW SP-10) for > 29". It'll be interesting to see how they respond to them.
I'll restate for the record that my form 4 Glock SBR (check cashed early September) came through just fine last week.
I also have a pair of form 1s I filled out last month on non-ALGs (9mm DDLES, SW SP-10) for > 29". It'll be interesting to see how they respond to them.
