ATF going door to door collecting FRTs

[[Kev308]]

I’ll be getting a knock on the door for researching the legality of oil can silencers.

Seems like a scare tactic. I bet you this whole incident is fake to give the impression that their eyes are everywhere.

 

[Mark75H]

If it can be proven, they would have needed a warrant. Warrantless search is still illegal

 

[Blaster229]

.gov probably knows how many sheets of TP we use to wipe each time.

Well, if they read the forum, they know that some here use a bidet.

 

[JohnnyE]

Well, if they read the forum, they know that some here use a bidet.

Fair enough.

 

[Muleskinner]

Well, if they read the forum, they know that some here use a bidet.

You spelled Biden wrong

 

[Bikebreath]

You spelled Biden wrong

And you beat me by 6 minutes

 

[Blaster229]

And you beat me by 6 minutes

Wedged right in front of you.

 

[gtodave]

Makes me want to search for them so when the ATF shows up I can tell them to F off.

 

[Blaster229]

Makes me want to search for them so when the ATF shows up I can tell them to F off.

From what I gather, they are not getting info from "The internet". Retailers bowing under some sort of pressure giving up lists.
"We won't tell them we got their name from you. We will just say we got it from internet searches they did".
That's how I am guessing it.

 

[Mark75H]

Why would a retailer keep records of something as inane as this?

Would they also keep records of who bought fishing sinker weights? Would they keep records of who bought holsters?

 

[adit]

Why would a retailer keep records of something as inane as this?

Would they also keep records of who bought fishing sinker weights? Would they keep records of who bought holsters?

They might not, but their ISP may have the info stored in its log files.

With the AFT being accused of threatening FFLs it wouldn't be beyond belief that they are doing to other companies (Banks/ISPs/ShippingCos/PaymentProcessors).

 

[mpollan1]

Why would a retailer keep records of something as inane as this?

Would they also keep records of who bought fishing sinker weights? Would they keep records of who bought holsters?

Everything is being stored/recorded. Pay cash so it's not tied to you. This is what I believe.

 

[Inigoes]

Everything is being stored/recorded. Pay cash so it's not tied to you. This is what I believe.

And have the following address memorized when asked for one:

110 State Circle, Annapolis, MD 21401

 

[mpollan1]

And have the following address memorized when asked for one:

110 State Circle, Annapolis, MD 21401

Ha, I like it. Now to select a name if asked...

 

[Blaster229]

Everything is being stored/recorded. Pay cash so it's not tied to you. This is what I believe.

How do you pay cash for something bought online?

 

[Muleskinner]

Why would a retailer keep records of something as inane as this?

Would they also keep records of who bought fishing sinker weights? Would they keep records of who bought holsters?

Because they're required by law to keep records of their transactions that aren't cash. And I'm not 100% sure it's the retailers or the manufacturers that are turning over the records. I'm thinking more likely than not it's the credit card companies or the banks. Remember, this product was perfectly legal to sell so there was no reason for retailers not to put a description of what was sold in the transaction record. The credit card companies have that information if the ATF asks the credit card companies supply the info without question. I also think that in some cases the ATF may have raided some of these manufacturers and retailers like they did with polymer 80.

 

[Lafayette]

they

If it can be proven, they would have needed a warrant. Warrantless search is still illegal

They don’t need a warrant if the retailers/ISP’s willingly surrender your transaction/search history.

 

[Inigoes]

How do you pay cash for something bought online?

Group buys?

 

[Mark75H]

they

They don’t need a warrant if the retailers/ISP’s willingly surrender your transaction/search history.

My question is how many retailers track small items like this?

 

[Lafayette]

My question is how many retailers track small items like this?

That’s a really good question. Most online places seem to have a way. i wonder if it depends on if you create an “account” or checkout as a guest?

Or it could just be something simple that they only track certain items that are more likely to be “questionable” depending on who is asking?