B27 vs B27E Target for W&C Permit

[Proline Fisher]

My buddy and his wife recently attended a W&C permit class. He sent me a picture of him and his wifes passing targets and he made the comment that his wife just passed. I noticed that most of her shots were constantly low just above the paper. One would assume that she missed low. They were shooting at a 27E target. It’s my understanding that these targets are shorter than the standard B27. Do you think it’s an issue for these instructors to use a more challenging target (smaller)?

 

[Blaster229]

27E is ECONOMY. Thinner paper. Same B27 size silhouette.

She was shooting low because she was shooting low.

 

[John from MD]

27E is ECONOMY. Thinner paper. Same B27 size silhouette.

She was shooting low because she was shooting low.

This. The reduced target is a B34 if memory serves.

 

[Mark75H]

I do not know what the variation number is, but there are some B27’s that are about 3 inches shorter on the bottom of the black target area. Like the tale of a coat below it waist line.

 

[Blaster229]

Just a side note, unless a target is hanging really high for some reason, most silhouettes are "center mass directly in front of you". So regardless of the target size, center mass is going to be directly where you are pressing the pistol out towards.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

The B-27E is about 3” shorter than a B-27, ending immediately below the 7 ring.

(The B-34 is a 1/3 scale of the full B-27.)

 

[Blaster229]

The B-27E is about 3” shorter than a B-27, ending immediately below the 7 ring.

(The B-34 is a 1/3 scale of the full B-27.)

Doesn't affect someone's shooting tho.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Doesn't affect someone's shooting tho.

You are correct. I was just responding to OP’s reference regarding target size.

If that last 3” below the 7 zone makes or breaks one’s qualifying, they definitely need more proficiency training.

 

[Blaster229]

You are correct. I was just responding to OP’s reference regarding target size.

If that last 3” below the 7 zone makes or breaks one’s qualifying, they definitely need more proficiency training.

Indeed!

 

[Proline Fisher]

Thanks guys, when looking up the size it had the standard B27 was 24x45 and the B27e was 23x35. Thought there was an 8inch difference, 3 isn’t so bad. Thanks for the replies

 

[Mark75H]

Made up by MSPLD spec of the required target is the B27. There is no other target for a MD W&C qualification.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

Thanks guys, when looking up the size it had the standard B27 was 24x45 and the B27e was 23x35. Thought there was an 8inch difference, 3 isn’t so bad. Thanks for the replies

I stand corrected. I was swagging at the 3”, but then got curious about exact difference. The silhouette portion of the B-27 is 42.75” tall and the silhouette portion of the B-27E is 33.75” tall. So, there is a 9” difference.

However, I still stand by my position that if that area below 7 makes or breaks one’s passing score, they should get additional training before carrying.

 

[Mark75H]

People in 28 Con Carry states should get training before carrying no matter how well they shoot, but most won't.