bigmanindc
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Got a few coworkers who are drug felons, can they shoot at a rental range with my (I’m not a felon) guns or the guns the range rents?
https://www.jobsforfelonshub.com/ca... example, the law,possess any kind of firearm.
Got a few coworkers who are drug felons, can they shoot at a rental range with my (I’m not a felon) guns or the guns the range rents?
IANAL but I believe (at least federally) felons can still own black powder
That’s a big no. Possession covers physical access. So yeah, renting would be possession. It would not be a transfer.
The State Police run background checks on names on the sign in logs at ranges. Sometimes they visit the homes of patrons,
Does anyone else ever wonder why a felon can no longer buy, own, possess, or shoot a firearm, but can still buy, own, possess, and use alcohol, automobiles, knives, ball bats, etc etc? I understand murderers, rapists, molesters, etc charged with heinous, violent crimes.
It has taken me several years to change my mind on this, but I believe that once someone serves a prison sentence for a non violent, non firearms related crime, they’re “debt” has been paid and ALL rights should be restored upon release. Let’s face it, if someone wants a firearm, they’re going to get one. I do think that SOME would actually try to do it the right way and buy a gun legally. SOME buying one legally would be better than ALL buying them illegally.
I imagine that there are going to be naysayers, but before you do, stop a minute and think of how many times all of us has probably, at some point broken a law that would’ve landed us in prison and didn’t even know it. I think there needs to be some revamping of the system.
The renter of a full auto firearm at the range can not be a felon. And AIUI... a shooting range which rents full auto firearms... does so under special ATF rules which allow and heavily restrict the practice. Call the ATF or a full auto range for details.Hmmmmmmm. So how can a range rent you a machine gun and supressor without paying the $200 transfer tax. Times 2 even.
Renting at a range is not possession, as long as it stays under the owners (FFL) control in the building.
As a rule, ranges dont do background checks before they rent you a pistol.
I’d bet the owners of the range wouldn’t be too thrilled about felons trying to rent and shoot on their premises.
The State Police run background checks on names on the sign in logs at ranges. Sometimes they visit the homes of patrons,
What range records names?
Felons rent guns at ranges all of the time. Then detectives go in, look at the list of who signed into the range, runs record checks on them, then gets a warrant for said felon.
My neighbor went to freestate with his son and got popped this way.
What range records names?
This.
I don't shoot at indoor ranges, but my understanding is that they check driver's licenses when patrons sign in, or otherwise record ID.
I have heard of other people getting "popped this way."
I recall one guy posted here several years ago that he had carelessly picked up a Failure to Appear warrant, went shooting at Continental, and had the State Police show up shortly afterwards to collect his guns. That's what I read on the internet anyway...
My neighbor went to freestate with his son and got popped this way.
Road Dawg you must have overlooked where I said murderers, rapists, etc. My way of thinking is that those type of criminals should never be set free back into society to begin with. Since they are, they definitely should never have the option of legally obtaining a firearm. I thought I put that in my post, but I didn’t.Repaid debt??? Not hardly.
Until that murderer can bring their victim back to life... or the rapist unrape his victim... or the robber/burglar give the sense of security back to their victims... staying someplace in time out does not repay any debt to society. It merely punished the felon in an attempt to teach them not to do it again. Who ever came up with that repaid debt line... needs to rethink what repayment means.
The renter of a full auto firearm at the range can not be a felon. And AIUI... a shooting range which rents full auto firearms... does so under special ATF rules which allow and heavily restrict the practice. Call the ATF or a full auto range for details.
Road Dawg you must have overlooked where I said murderers, rapists, etc. My way of thinking is that those type of criminals should never be set free back into society to begin with. Since they are, they definitely should never have the option of legally obtaining a firearm. I thought I put that in my post, but I didn’t.
My comment was directed at the “paid their debt to society” portion. I don’t believe that “time out” (jail/prison) is a paid debt. No criminal has ever paid society back for anything by being put into time out.
The jail time is the punishment for the offense.
Restitution to all victims would be a debt paid.
Hmmmmmmm. So how can a range rent you a machine gun and supressor without paying the $200 transfer tax. Times 2 even.
Renting at a range is not possession, as long as it stays under the owners (FFL) control in the building.
As a rule, ranges dont do background checks before they rent you a pistol.
Got a few coworkers who are drug felons, can they shoot at a rental range with my (I’m not a felon) guns or the guns the range rents?
Got a few coworkers who are drug felons, can they shoot at a rental range with my (I’m not a felon) guns or the guns the range rents?
#1 signing into a gun range isn't a crime, even if you are prohibited. A signature on a form won't establish probable cause of a crime.
#2 even if you signed a form, that doesn't prove that you actually fired a weapon. You could have simply gone with a friend, signed the form to go to the firing line and never manipulated a gun. Still don't have probable cause.
#3 let's imagine some cop pulls the records, runs everyone, finds a prohibited person... Now they have to pull video, actually see the person handle a weapon, confirm their identity through an outside source and then charge.
Is it POSSIBLE...? Maybe, but I'd love to work for that department, if they have enough time to go on fishing expeditions like that they must pay really well and have a ton of openings. I'm sure that if it ever actually happened, it's more likely that a cop was there at the range off duty and saw someone they knew was prohibited and got a warrant for them. Even then, still highly unlikely.
To answer the original question though, no, a prohibited person is prohibited.
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