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  • StantonCree

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    So here’s a new one. With yesterdays two homicides DC should be sitting at 201. Chief Smith gave a press conference on them and dropped a bomb “oh BTW the medical examiner has 8 more homicides not yet in our count”. That actually puts DC at 209.
     

    Sunrise

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    So here’s a new one. With yesterdays two homicides DC should be sitting at 201. Chief Smith gave a press conference on them and dropped a bomb “oh BTW the medical examiner has 8 more homicides not yet in our count”. That actually puts DC at 209.
    Wow.





    And we’re not even in October yet.
     
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    Sunrise

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    At the intersection of and across the street from the Ritz Carlton Hotel, the Hilton Garden Inn, the Marriott and the Hyatt Place in the West End. I think the video shows one of the perps (the guy who slips at the rear of the car) with a long gun. JFC.
     
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    Bob A

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    Bethesda, Georgetown/Dupont Circle; sh!t's getting real.

    Glad to see that it's becoming suitably diverse, geographically and economically.

    Edit: Baltimorgue 208, DC 209 . . . Race to the Bottom is on!!!
     

    Sunrise

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    Bethesda, Georgetown/Dupont Circle; sh!t's getting real.

    Glad to see that it's becoming suitably diverse, geographically and economically.

    Edit: Baltimorgue 208, DC 209 . . . Race to the Bottom is on!!!
    Most definitely. Yup. This crew was clearly prowling for a target.

    It's still not bad enough yet for anything meaningful to change. This has to get much worse first, and it will no doubt.
     

    Sunrise

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    Meanwhile:


    There will not be a vote during this session. Another roundtable is planned for later this fall. After that, officials said the committee will look at making a decision on whether to confirm Smith, who was chosen for the role back in July.
     

    Sunrise

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    She got out. I wonder how many others have left.


    More of the same....


    This is the first time D.C. has hit 200 homicides before October since 1997. That year, the city clocked 303 people by the end of December, according to D.C. police data. Since then, homicide totals have steadily decreased. However, those numbers have picked up since 2021.

    Here's MPD's current staffing: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/f...tent/attachments/Staffing_Report_SEP_2023.pdf

    3,328 Officers

    We could get close to 303 again (or surpass it) at this rate.
     
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    RFBfromDE

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    In 1997 we didn't have the webs to watch it all.

    I still went to Major League sporting events.

    I still read The Washington Post.

    Churches and schools didn't celebrate Trans/Marxist ideology.

    I went to the 9:30 Club on F street. What a dump!
     

    MaxVO2

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    In 1997 we didn't have the webs to watch it all.

    I still went to Major League sporting events.

    I still read The Washington Post.

    Churches and schools didn't celebrate Trans/Marxist ideology.

    I went to the 9:30 Club on F street. What a dump!

    ****You wanna go back in time, dontcha? Fight the machines sent back to kill the mother of the resistance movement?


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    Sunrise

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    In 1997 we didn't have the webs to watch it all.

    I still went to Major League sporting events.

    I still read The Washington Post.

    Churches and schools didn't celebrate Trans/Marxist ideology.

    I went to the 9:30 Club on F street. What a dump!
    It's still not bad enough yet for things to swing back.
     

    Sunrise

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    It's like Joe used to say:

    Transcript:

    The consensus is:

    A) We must take back the streets. It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter, or my son or daughter, my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents - it doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth. It doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that would enable them to have, to become, uh, to become, uh, become socialized into the fabric of society. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons.


    So I don't want to ask, "What made them do this?" They must be taken off the streets! That's number one. There's a consensus on that! The Democratic Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, the Democratic President of the United States of America, the Democratic Attorney General, the Republican Leader, the Republican leader of this effort, Senator Hatch, the Republican Senator from Texas, we all agree on that.

    Now we can find some “fringe folks” in the study groups on the right wing and left wing, Libertarians and, uh, uh, and “left wingers” in my party who say, "No. That's not what we should do," but politically that consensus has been arrived at. I acknowledge there was not that consensus in the Sixties. There is today.

    There's a second thing that we all have agreed upon, and that is:

    Unless we do something about that cadre of young people - tens of thousands of them - born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally (I yield myself three more minutes) because they literally have not been socialized. They literally have not had an opportunity. We should focus on them now. Not out of a liberal instinct for love, brother, and humanity - although I think that's a good instinct - but for simple, pragmatic reasons.

    If we don't, they will, or a portion of them will, become the predators fifteen years from now - and Madam President, we have predators on our streets, that society has, in fact, in part because of its neglect, created. Again, it does not mean, because we created them, that we somehow forgive them or do not take them out of society to protect my family and yours from them. They are beyond the pale, many of those people, beyond the pale, and it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society, and the truth is we don't very well know how to rehabilitate them at that point. That's the sad truth.

    You're looking at the "fella" who was one of the primary architects of the Sentencing Commission. You know what the basic premise of the Sentencing Commission is? I know the Presiding Officer knows. It was the first time in eighty years we rejected the notion that the condition of sentencing must be related to how long it would take to rehabilitate. I'm the guy that said, "Rehabilitation. When it occurs we don't understand it and notice it, and when, even when we notice it and we know it occurs, we don't know why." So, you can not make rehabilitation a condition for release.

    That's why in our system there's, the federal system, you serve eighty-five percent of your time. I remember what was going on when I was making these arguments in the late Seventies. They used to call it "Biden's 'same time for the same crime' provision".

    It's a shame, but we don't know how to rehabilitate, but there is a consensus and I will cease:

    A) We must make the streets safer. I don't care why someone is a “mal” factor in society. I don't care why someone is anti-social. I don't care why they become a sociopath. We have an obligation to cordon them off from the rest of society, try to help them, try to change their behavior. That's what we do in this bill, we have drug treatment and we have other treatments to try to deal with it, but they are in jail away from my mother, your husband, our families, but we would be, be, we would be absolutely stupid as a society if we didn't recognize the condition that nurtured those folks still exists, and we must deal with that.

    And I think there's a consensus among Republicans on that. All "barbed wire" Republican conservatives who always wanna "hang 'em high", even those folks are saying, "Hey, we've gotta deal with the root cause of this." Not, not "one or the other" but separately. And liberal Democrats who used to say, "Let's look at the sociological underpinnings of why this occurred, and we have to . . ." They're now saying, "Hey look, we've gotta take back the streets. We'll make that fight later."

    So, there is a consensus. I hope the remainder of the discussion as we close out the debate on this bill, we can end that old fight. We can put it behind us. Hopefully, we have, as the Senator from West Virginia said, "This is a historic moment on this bill, a consensus being reached." I think that it is, but I think that it's a historic moment for a political reason as well.

    Hopefully, we will end the discussion about whether or not Republicans are "neanderthal" and only want to "hang 'em high" and Democrats are "wacko liberals" and only want to look at the causes. those days are gone. Evidence of that: a Democratic Senator from Delaware and a Republican conservative Senator from Utah are united in a “Biden/Hatch Crime Bill” that does all the things that I just said.

    So, as my, one of my, relatives who will remain nameless would say, "Godwillin' and the crick not risin'" hopefully we will end this kind of debate and just decide how we're going to deal with the problem from here on. I, uh, I reserve the balance of my time.
     

    Bob A

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    Maybe sooner than you think:
    Maybe, but I doubt it.

    At this point, the rot has extended deeply into the Thug community, and the protection they have been granted over the last few decades is deeply ingrained, in the thugs, in their communities (if indeed they can be said to have "communities"), in the screeching racist media, and in the Soros-purchased "prosecutors".

    It will take a generation to undo the damage, even if everyone is willing and on board, and you know that is not the case.

    We don't have the will to take stern measures, , nor the prison space - thanks to the "war on drugs" - to incarcerate the violent, nor the money to hold them nor the money to pay the police, nor the people willing to enter the police force as human sacrifices to the gods of Progressivism.

    The idea of "prison reform" never really worked for the hardcore. The reluctance to make prison conditions unpleasant enough to act as a deterrent, and the failure of the mental health system which has been replaced by prisons for people who should be hospitalised and medicated to restore them to a functional state -- all of these failures will not be rectified in the remainder of my lifetime, which I optimistically set at a scant 15 years at the outside. In fact, I doubt half of them will even be attempted.
     

    Sunrise

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    Maybe, but I doubt it.

    At this point, the rot has extended deeply into the Thug community, and the protection they have been granted over the last few decades is deeply ingrained, in the thugs, in their communities (if indeed they can be said to have "communities"), in the screeching racist media, and in the Soros-purchased "prosecutors".

    It will take a generation to undo the damage, even if everyone is willing and on board, and you know that is not the case.

    We don't have the will to take stern measures, , nor the prison space - thanks to the "war on drugs" - to incarcerate the violent, nor the money to hold them nor the money to pay the police, nor the people willing to enter the police force as human sacrifices to the gods of Progressivism.

    The idea of "prison reform" never really worked for the hardcore. The reluctance to make prison conditions unpleasant enough to act as a deterrent, and the failure of the mental health system which has been replaced by prisons for people who should be hospitalised and medicated to restore them to a functional state -- all of these failures will not be rectified in the remainder of my lifetime, which I optimistically set at a scant 15 years at the outside. In fact, I doubt half of them will even be attempted.
    All great points sir. I agree with you.

    MPD staffing is currently 3,328 officers (including recruits), and I'll bet we hit 3100-3200 sometime next year.

    It's still not bad enough yet for things to swing back.
     

    JohnnyE

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    It's like Joe used to say:

    Transcript:

    The consensus is:

    A) We must take back the streets. It doesn't matter whether or not the person that is accosting your son or daughter, or my son or daughter, my wife, your husband, my mother, your parents - it doesn't matter whether or not they were deprived as a youth. It doesn't matter whether or not they had no background that would enable them to have, to become, uh, to become, uh, become socialized into the fabric of society. It doesn't matter whether or not they're the victims of society. The end result is they're about to knock my mother on the head with a lead pipe, shoot my sister, beat up my wife, take on my sons.

    So I don't want to ask, "What made them do this?" They must be taken off the streets! That's number one. There's a consensus on that! The Democratic Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, the Democratic President of the United States of America, the Democratic Attorney General, the Republican Leader, the Republican leader of this effort, Senator Hatch, the Republican Senator from Texas, we all agree on that.

    Now we can find some “fringe folks” in the study groups on the right wing and left wing, Libertarians and, uh, uh, and “left wingers” in my party who say, "No. That's not what we should do," but politically that consensus has been arrived at. I acknowledge there was not that consensus in the Sixties. There is today.

    There's a second thing that we all have agreed upon, and that is:

    Unless we do something about that cadre of young people - tens of thousands of them - born out of wedlock, without parents, without supervision, without any structure, without any conscience developing because they literally (I yield myself three more minutes) because they literally have not been socialized. They literally have not had an opportunity. We should focus on them now. Not out of a liberal instinct for love, brother, and humanity - although I think that's a good instinct - but for simple, pragmatic reasons.

    If we don't, they will, or a portion of them will, become the predators fifteen years from now - and Madam President, we have predators on our streets, that society has, in fact, in part because of its neglect, created. Again, it does not mean, because we created them, that we somehow forgive them or do not take them out of society to protect my family and yours from them. They are beyond the pale, many of those people, beyond the pale, and it's a sad commentary on society. We have no choice but to take them out of society, and the truth is we don't very well know how to rehabilitate them at that point. That's the sad truth.

    You're looking at the "fella" who was one of the primary architects of the Sentencing Commission. You know what the basic premise of the Sentencing Commission is? I know the Presiding Officer knows. It was the first time in eighty years we rejected the notion that the condition of sentencing must be related to how long it would take to rehabilitate. I'm the guy that said, "Rehabilitation. When it occurs we don't understand it and notice it, and when, even when we notice it and we know it occurs, we don't know why." So, you can not make rehabilitation a condition for release.

    That's why in our system there's, the federal system, you serve eighty-five percent of your time. I remember what was going on when I was making these arguments in the late Seventies. They used to call it "Biden's 'same time for the same crime' provision".

    It's a shame, but we don't know how to rehabilitate, but there is a consensus and I will cease:

    A) We must make the streets safer. I don't care why someone is a “mal” factor in society. I don't care why someone is anti-social. I don't care why they become a sociopath. We have an obligation to cordon them off from the rest of society, try to help them, try to change their behavior. That's what we do in this bill, we have drug treatment and we have other treatments to try to deal with it, but they are in jail away from my mother, your husband, our families, but we would be, be, we would be absolutely stupid as a society if we didn't recognize the condition that nurtured those folks still exists, and we must deal with that.

    And I think there's a consensus among Republicans on that. All "barbed wire" Republican conservatives who always wanna "hang 'em high", even those folks are saying, "Hey, we've gotta deal with the root cause of this." Not, not "one or the other" but separately. And liberal Democrats who used to say, "Let's look at the sociological underpinnings of why this occurred, and we have to . . ." They're now saying, "Hey look, we've gotta take back the streets. We'll make that fight later."

    So, there is a consensus. I hope the remainder of the discussion as we close out the debate on this bill, we can end that old fight. We can put it behind us. Hopefully, we have, as the Senator from West Virginia said, "This is a historic moment on this bill, a consensus being reached." I think that it is, but I think that it's a historic moment for a political reason as well.

    Hopefully, we will end the discussion about whether or not Republicans are "neanderthal" and only want to "hang 'em high" and Democrats are "wacko liberals" and only want to look at the causes. those days are gone. Evidence of that: a Democratic Senator from Delaware and a Republican conservative Senator from Utah are united in a “Biden/Hatch Crime Bill” that does all the things that I just said.

    So, as my, one of my, relatives who will remain nameless would say, "Godwillin' and the crick not risin'" hopefully we will end this kind of debate and just decide how we're going to deal with the problem from here on. I, uh, I reserve the balance of my time.
    Well said (back in '93), Joe, but where'd you go?
     

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