Copycat weapon

[mgbill]

I have a RRA LAR15 A4 rifle. It's got a 20 in heavy barrel and comes with a flash suppressor. If if take off the suppressor and replace it with a thread protector, have I removed this firearm from the dreaded "Copycat Weapon" category under the proposed legislation? Or do I have to make a permanent modification to the piece?

 

[Sev89]

Most likely make a permanent mod to it. I suspect that the thread protector would have to be welded in place.

 

[mac1_131]

You that much against registering it?

I assume it is a fixed stock. If not, it's still over the limit so won't matter

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[mgbill]

You that much against registering it?

I assume it is a fixed stock. If not, it's still over the limit so won't matter

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Yes, this model has a fixed stock. No, I'm not hard over against registration - just trying to understand what might be a simple way to make the current configuration a "non-copycat weapon". I would not want to go so far as welding on a thread protector. I was also wondering about changing out the flash suppressor for a compensator.

 

[jonnyl]

Threaded barrel isn't on the evil list for rifles if I recall correctly.

 

[erwos]

Threaded barrel isn't on the evil list for rifles if I recall correctly.

Correct. If he has an HBAR with a pistol grip, muzzle brake, and fixed stock, he's GTG.

 

[Arcamm]

Evil feature is a flash suppressor. What if you replace it with a muzzle brake?

 

[Arcamm]

You that much against registering it?

Yes. Forcing me to register it is a violation on my second amendment rights.

 

[Loader]

I have a RRA LAR15 A4 rifle. It's got a 20 in heavy barrel and comes with a flash suppressor. If if take off the suppressor and replace it with a thread protector, have I removed this firearm from the dreaded "Copycat Weapon" category under the proposed legislation? Or do I have to make a permanent modification to the piece?

The threaded barrel is the "problem" as they are trying to not only get rid of scary things but your ability to have scary things.

 

[straightsilver3]

Yes. Forcing me to register it is a violation on my second amendment rights.

AMEN

 

[Jed195]

...Or replace it with a flash enhancer and show some fireballs. They exist, I looked em up.

 

[mac1_131]

It's very difficult to accurately define the difference between a muzzle brake and a flash hider, especially in the law.

Most AR's could be construed to have flash hiders IMHO so my opinion is the only version that might be allowed would be a bull barrel

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[K-Romulus]

It is such a gray area, I don't think anyone knows. Right now MSP interprets the HBAR exception to only apply to AR15s that have HBAR stamped somewhere on the gun. Actual parts don't count.

The regulated firearm law says it applies to the Colt branded AR15 "and all imitations except Colt AR15 Sporter H-Bar rifle." The SB281 ban references this definition. There is no way to predict if MSP will continue to give a pass to any gun if doing so is not explicitly spelled out in the letter of the law.

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[jonnyl]

I think you could only get away with a brake if it directs the gasses up

(G) "Flash Suppressor" means a device that functions, or is intended to function, to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision.

but you've gotta keep in mind how DANGEROUS that makes a rifle.

 

[mac1_131]

I think you could only get away with a brake if it directs the gasses up

Correct. A brake that divides the gases in more than one place, like most AR's, reduces flash and therefore will likely be interpreted as a flash hider

An AK slant brake might be OK, but I am afraid an AR that divides it up equally will not be OK

Makes perfect sense. right?

 

[Mtwoodson]

Against registration? You bet your ass! Name a single good thing that comes from registration.

 

[Catch-10-22]

Copycat provision should eliminate the current HBAR exemption.

 

[erwos]

Copycat provision should eliminate the current HBAR exemption.

Nah, they changed it to a two feature test. HBARs with a comp and fixed stock will still be good to go. Threaded barrels are not an evil feature on rifles.

 

[AKbythebay]

I have the same gun. I'm confused as well as to how the HBAR riffles will be treated. I'm not planning on modifying it but hoping I won't be forced to register it. If I am forced to I will just do that

 

[AKbythebay]

So any "evil assault riffles" we have now won't have to be registered if they were treated as regulated firearms when originally purchased, correct?