CZ-82 Not C&R in Maryland?

[Daddyursus]

This should be an interesting thread. So, according to the MSP list of restricted handguns, the CZ-82 is on the list:

https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...e/HandgunRoster/HandgunModels.aspx?manu=17995

Unlike the P-64 which is not:

https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...e/HandgunRoster/HandgunModels.aspx?manu=18112

This would lead me to believe that the CZ-82 is not considered a C&R in Maryland.

Now for all you lawyer types, If I purchase a CZ-82 from Wideners, (listed as C&R qualified) and I have a valid C&R license, they will ship it right to my front door. So if I never register it with MSP, I would have a regulated handgun in my safe that is not registered with the MSP. I would not want to fight that charge in a court of law.

Thoughts?

 

[yellowsled]

C&R is federal, and C&R guns are exempt from SB281 if I understand it correctly.

 

[Docster]

C&R is federal, and C&R guns are exempt from SB281 if I understand it correctly.

This. C & R is Federal; every C&R holder should know and understand that.

 

[Jaybeez]

This should be an interesting thread. So, according to the MSP list of restricted handguns, the CZ-82 is on the list:

https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...e/HandgunRoster/HandgunModels.aspx?manu=17995

Unlike the P-64 which is not:

https://www.mdsp.org/Organization/S...e/HandgunRoster/HandgunModels.aspx?manu=18112

This would lead me to believe that the CZ-82 is not considered a C&R in Maryland.

Now for all you lawyer types, If I purchase a CZ-82 from Wideners, (listed as C&R qualified) and I have a valid C&R license, they will ship it right to my front door. So if I never register it with MSP, I would have a regulated handgun in my safe that is not registered with the MSP. I would not want to fight that charge in a court of law.

Thoughts?

that us not a list of prohibited handguns, that is a list of approved for sale in the state of md handguns.

 

[BMW]

Now for all you lawyer types, If I purchase a CZ-82 from Wideners, (listed as C&R qualified) and I have a valid C&R license, they will ship it right to my front door. So if I never register it with MSP, I would have a regulated handgun in my safe that is not registered with the MSP. I would not want to fight that charge in a court of law.

Thoughts?

Wideners shipped me a CZ-82 last month but there's no telling what they'll do next month. It might be a 12 round magazine issue...which is understandable since two more rounds in the mag will turn you into a homicidal maniac.

 

[Daddyursus]

Jaybeez, Sir I would respectfully disagree with you. All guns listed on that site are regulated handguns. Again the P-64 is not listed and I have bought several of these here in Maryland.

Yellowsled and Docster, thank you for your inputs. But it still is a nagging question of the legalities involved with possession of a regulated handgun that is not registered. I know this is generally not an issue with C&R long guns

 

[Daddyursus]

Wideners shipped me a CZ-82 last month but there's no telling what they'll do next month. It might be a 12 round magazine issue...which is understandable since two more rounds in the mag will turn you into a homicidal maniac.

Ahhhh real data, thanks. I was in the middle of posting when a meeting was called at work. You, posted the answer. Sent directly to you, and no need to register

 

[Melnic]

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=59851

If it's made before 1/1/85 then it does not need to be on the list

MD handgun roster and Federal C&R list are mutually exclusive.
But to possess the handgun in MD, you need to be older than 1/1/85 or on the MD roster.
Both the CZ82 (on the roster) and the P64 (older than 1/1/85) satisfy this requirement.
Both are C&R as well.

 

[Grey_Man]

Jaybeez, Sir I would respectfully disagree with you. All guns listed on that site are regulated handguns. Again the P-64 is not listed and I have bought several of these here in Maryland.

Yellowsled and Docster, thank you for your inputs. But it still is a nagging question of the legalities involved with possession of a regulated handgun that is not registered. I know this is generally not an issue with C&R long guns

All handguns are regulated. That is the list of the approved ones for MD. If it is NOT on the list, you can't get it.
A C&R pretty much negates it. The only problem with CZ-82's is the mag capacity is too high after 10/1.

 

[dgapilot]

SO, the CZ-82 is C&R, no question about that. My question is since it has a magazine with a capacity greater than 10, is it still OK to purchase one in MD after 10/1? How about from an vendor outside MD if you are a C&R? Supposedly SB281 didn't impact C&R, just want to get the correct info out there for all to enjoy.

 

[endsjustifymeans]

You can buy the gun after 10/1, just not the 12 rd mags.

 

[Melnic]

All handguns are regulated. That is the list of the approved ones for MD. If it is NOT on the list, you can't get it.
A C&R pretty much negates it. The only problem with CZ-82's is the mag capacity is too high after 10/1.

Your statement I highlighted in bold is not correct
As said, that handgun roster is foris for those manufactured after 1/1/85

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/html/23agen.html
Scroll down to office of strategic planning.
Then Handgun roster board.

Just take all the current magazine regs that say 20 and make it 10. after 10/1, you will not be able to buy any magazine >10 rounds from a person, store or even have it delivered to you via UPS/USPS etc from mail/phone/internet order. You can still go out of state, buy it, then bring it back in. For generic questions, you can refer to the 2A Maryland section that covers this over and over if you want to read it or search.

Some FAQ to read (note, the MSP put out a noticed that HQL is not required if you buy before 10/1, but I don't trust that and we picked up our last purchase today)
http://justinready.com/sb281faq/

 

[Grey_Man]

Your statement I highlighted in bold is not correct
As said, that handgun roster is foris for those manufactured after 1/1/85

http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/23dsp/html/23agen.html
Scroll down to office of strategic planning.
Then Handgun roster board.

Just take all the current magazine regs that say 20 and make it 10. after 10/1, you will not be able to buy any magazine >10 rounds from a person, store or even have it delivered to you via UPS/USPS etc from mail/phone/internet order. You can still go out of state, buy it, then bring it back in. For generic questions, you can refer to the 2A Maryland section that covers this over and over if you want to read it or search.

Some FAQ to read (note, the MSP put out a noticed that HQL is not required if you buy before 10/1, but I don't trust that and we picked up our last purchase today)
http://justinready.com/sb281faq/

I stand corrected. Thanks, Melnic.

 

[Biggfoot44]

That is not a "list of regulated handguns " . It is the "Roster of handguns mfg after 1/1/1985 that are aproved for sale in Md " . C&R status either in 1985 or present day is irrelevent. Many on the Roster happen to be C&R eligable.

C&R List is Federal. If purchased by a C&R Lic holder in Interstate Commerece , and Md has no input on the process. However , if it is Shipped into Md , the 10rd mag limit applies. If you purchase it and take delivery out of state otherwise in conformity w/ Federal law , you may return to md with your >10rd magazine .

If you purchase said C&R eligable handgun within Md , or from Md resident ( arguments over this sub-point) , then Md process must be followed.

Meanwhile the HUGE point has not yet been mentioned in this thread !! While a post- 1899 C&R handgun sold within Md requires 77R , waiting period , etc , it does NOT require an HQL .

It's the opposite of simple , but there it is. [ Md resident C&R holders who accidently bump into each other while out of state , with no " offer for sale" occuring within Md , who initiate and consumate a transaction entirely out of state , is an unknown scenario as to weather Md would have any involvement. If I had a C&R , I wouldn't be in a rush to be a test case , but YMMV ].

 

[John from MD]

"Meanwhile the HUGE point has not yet been mentioned in this thread !! While a post- 1899 C&R handgun sold within Md requires 77R , waiting period , etc , it does NOT require an HQL ."

That is true as far as the Emergency Regulations published in COMAR stand today. However, they are only good for 180 days and by then Vinny and crew will probably see their mistake and have MSP ammend it.

 

[justiw]

I do not have C&R, but I thought you guys were FFL holders. Isn't it true that FFLs can receive mags greater than normal allowed capacity? Just a thought.

 

[Docster]

I do not have C&R, but I thought you guys were FFL holders. Isn't it true that FFLs can receive mags greater than normal allowed capacity? Just a thought.

Licensed DEALERS may, not FFL03's as far as I understand. FFL03's are not dealers.

 

[Grey_Man]

They should come up with an app that helps you navigate MD laws. However it would probably short circuit my phone.