D.C. Council passes new criminal code, despite some objections

[Sunrise]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/15/dc-criminal-code-passes-objections/

Try to unpack DC's insanity in reducing the penalty for illegal gun possession to a maximum of two years.

They complain about violence at the same time they complain about incarceration rates. These people are hopeless.

 

[Garet Jax]

Frigging idiots - they will still throw the book at people like us for having a spent round in the car without a permit.

 

[fishgutzy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/11/15/dc-criminal-code-passes-objections/

Try to unpack DC's insanity in reducing the penalty for illegal gun possession to a maximum of two years.

They complain about violence at the same time they complain about incarceration rates. These people are hopeless.

Easy. All laws that have a disparate impact on black Americans is racist. Does not matter of one group disproportionately violates specific laws.
This change is the equivalent of reducing sentances for serial killers because white males make up the vast majority of serial killers.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Here's the payoff;

Before passing the bill 13 to 0, the council beat back an amendment that would increase penalties for gun crimes.

“We can argue about it all day and it really doesn’t make a difference in terms of reducing gun violence,” Council President Phil Mendelson said. “Politicians often propose longer sentences to fight crime and it’s the wrong approach.”

 

[Sunrise]

Easy. All laws that have a disparate impact on black Americans is racist. Does not matter of one group disproportionately violates specific laws.
This change is the equivalent of reducing sentances for serial killers because white males make up the vast majority of serial killers.

Any time some leftist talks to me about disparate impact I show them this:

 

[Sunrise]

Here's the payoff;

Before passing the bill 13 to 0, the council beat back an amendment that would increase penalties for gun crimes.

“We can argue about it all day and it really doesn’t make a difference in terms of reducing gun violence,” Council President Phil Mendelson said. “Politicians often propose longer sentences to fight crime and it’s the wrong approach.”

These are such unserious people. What a disgrace.

 

[Sunrise]

Frigging idiots - they will still throw the book at people like us for having a spent round in the car without a permit.

No doubt.

Nobody is forcing these people to illegally own or carry a firearm.

I've got an idea: Drop the FFL and Registration fees for DC to zero. Those probably have a disparate impact as well. Problem solved: Everyone can get a gun legally.

 

[spoon059]

I read the bill that was passed yesterday giving a $2500 tax credit to first responders in Montgomery County. Mo County requires a DEI impact statement for every new bill now. That DEI statement said that the bill should include Corrections Officers as well, because most COs are black. This is how the world works in bizzaro land. We can acknowledge that most people harmed by gun crimes in DC are black. We can acknowledge that most people committing gun crimes in DC are black. We can acknowledge that people are highly unlikely to commit gun crimes while incarcerated.

However, it is racist and not inclusive to suggest that ALL violent offenders in DC should see long periods of incarceration. Voters continue to put DEI and social justice ahead of common sense and law and order. I have been saying this for years now... but we need to step back and give the voters exactly what they asked for. We need to stop arresting people and taking away guns, let them shoot it out in DC, let them shoot it out in Baltimore, let them shoot it out in Silver Spring. Let them murder and maim to their hearts content, until we get to a point that the citizens decide that we've told the lie long enough and we want to be able to go out of our houses without being in fear again. Then and only then will we consider electing lawmakers and prosecutors that are willing to hold criminals accountable and let free citizens be free.

We need to stop covering up for their horrible decisions and give them exactly what they are screaming and demanding to have... I think its called "equity of outcome", when EVERYONE becomes a victim.

 

[MaxVO2]

We need to stop covering up for their horrible decisions and give them exactly what they are screaming and demanding to have... I think its called "equity of outcome", when EVERYONE becomes a victim.

*****This has kind of already happened in some parts of the country it would seem. Baltimore, Philly, St. Louis, Atlanta, Chicago, etc... People in our area have very strong convictions regarding disparate impact with respect to crime, especially violent crime. The problem is that folks (regular average families, not on public assistance, with no one in their family in prison, on parole, or probation) generally are pretty stubborn and think nothing bad will happen to them and live blissfully unaware that there are areas that are cesspools of crime. They blame an instrument (gun) instead of the person, *especially* if the person is from a protected class where "society" has failed them...

I'm very much a law and order person and strongly believe that there should be consequences that are swift, certain, and sometimes severe for people that are just career criminals or just violently defective and wired wrong. Yes, it should be done legally, even if the laws have to be changed (again).

What we are seeing today with respect to the horrible decisions being made by politicians and States Attorneys, bleeding heart liberals, etc.. has happened before and the pendulum does eventually swing away from being soft on crime but only after it has affected those with the resources and pull to hasten change. The swings have happened in this country in the 1920's, the 1960's, the 1980's with the whole crack cocaine epidemic, and at other times.

When the average person really starts seeing themselves and their families, in their nice suburban homes and "safe" areas in danger - politicians and our representatives will be forced to do something, or some of those average people, who mostly want to be left alone and mind their own business, will wake up and make it their business to limit the problem by either replacing the politicians, or unfortunately taking matters in to their own hands and regrettably having rather rough men do what is needed so regular people can once again sleep restfully and soundly at night...

Dunno what will happen, but things will change, probably for the worst, at least for awhile. WWJCS? (What would Jeff Cooper Say?)

 

[Mightydog]

Here's the payoff;

Before passing the bill 13 to 0, the council beat back an amendment that would increase penalties for gun crimes.

“We can argue about it all day and it really doesn’t make a difference in terms of reducing gun violence,” Council President Phil Mendelson said. “Politicians often propose longer sentences to fight crime and it’s the wrong approach.”

Mainly ILLEGAL gun crimes. How can you be serious about “gun control” if you reduce the consequences? They know most of these crimes are committed by the 13%ers but that would be racist…for stating facts!

 

[Sunrise]

*****This has kind of already happened in some parts of the country it would seem. Baltimore, Philly, St. Louis, Atlanta, Chicago, etc... People in our area have very strong convictions regarding disparate impact with respect to crime, especially violent crime. The problem is that folks (regular average families, not on public assistance, with no one in their family in prison, on parole, or probation) generally are pretty stubborn and think nothing bad will happen to them and live blissfully unaware that there are areas that are cesspools of crime. They blame an instrument (gun) instead of the person, *especially* if the person is from a protected class where "society" has failed them...

I'm very much a law and order person and strongly believe that there should be consequences that are swift, certain, and sometimes severe for people that are just career criminals or just violently defective and wired wrong. Yes, it should be done legally, even if the laws have to be changed (again).

What we are seeing today with respect to the horrible decisions being made by politicians and States Attorneys, bleeding heart liberals, etc.. has happened before and the pendulum does eventually swing away from being soft on crime but only after it has affected those with the resources and pull to hasten change. The swings have happened in this country in the 1920's, the 1960's, the 1980's with the whole crack cocaine epidemic, and at other times.

When the average person really starts seeing themselves and their families, in their nice suburban homes and "safe" areas in danger - politicians and our representatives will be forced to do something, or some of those average people, who mostly want to be left alone and mind their own business, will wake up and make it their business to limit the problem by either replacing the politicians, or unfortunately taking matters in to their own hands and regrettably having rather rough men do what is needed so regular people can once again sleep restfully and soundly at night...

Dunno what will happen, but things will change, probably for the worst, at least for awhile. WWJCS? (What would Jeff Cooper Say?)

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Well said. We're at the clown stage of things. What we're seeing is the cognitive dissonance of these DC public officials in realtime.

Illegal gun crimes are being committed by criminals with illegally owned/carried guns which is causing an epidemic of gun violence in DC. However, we don't want to ensure and improve public safety by putting these illegal gun criminals in prison and get them off the street for too long because then there will be an overrepresented number of a specific demographic of them in prison for too long and that's indicative of a disparate impact of our laws pertaining to illegal owning/carrying of a firearm on a specific population.

Solution: Lock up more legal gun owners to promote equity. Problem solved.

 

[dickyvee]

I read the bill that was passed yesterday giving a $2500 tax credit to first responders in Montgomery County. Mo County requires a DEI impact statement for every new bill now. That DEI statement said that the bill should include Corrections Officers as well, because most COs are black. This is how the world works in bizzaro land. We can acknowledge that most people harmed by gun crimes in DC are black. We can acknowledge that most people committing gun crimes in DC are black. We can acknowledge that people are highly unlikely to commit gun crimes while incarcerated.

However, it is racist and not inclusive to suggest that ALL violent offenders in DC should see long periods of incarceration. Voters continue to put DEI and social justice ahead of common sense and law and order. I have been saying this for years now... but we need to step back and give the voters exactly what they asked for. We need to stop arresting people and taking away guns, let them shoot it out in DC, let them shoot it out in Baltimore, let them shoot it out in Silver Spring. Let them murder and maim to their hearts content, until we get to a point that the citizens decide that we've told the lie long enough and we want to be able to go out of our houses without being in fear again. Then and only then will we consider electing lawmakers and prosecutors that are willing to hold criminals accountable and let free citizens be free.

We need to stop covering up for their horrible decisions and give them exactly what they are screaming and demanding to have... I think its called "equity of outcome", when EVERYONE becomes a victim.

Bravo!

 

[dickyvee]

I hope the populous of DC is prepared for what the DC council just unleashed. I’m certain that in a years time MoCo legislators with cite the “success” of this DC plan and lobby Annapolis for similar changes.

 

[Sunrise]

I hope the populous of DC is prepared for what the DC council just unleashed. I’m certain that in a years time MoCo legislators with cite the “success” of this DC plan and lobby Annapolis for similar changes.

No doubt. Enough people in DC wanted this. Enough people in DC voted for the people who passed it. Stay safe.

 

[CrueChief]

The neighborhoods the rich folk live in will need to become just as dangerous as the "other" neighborhoods . Then and only then will the pendulum swing back.

 

[MaxVO2]

The neighborhoods the rich folk live in will need to become just as dangerous as the "other" neighborhoods . Then and only then will the pendulum swing back.

****That is unlikely to happen. You still of course have burglary, robbery, car theft, etc.. (but much less of it..) but it is still rare to have some well to do dude in his Polo shirt, slacks, and Ferragamo shoes walking his foo foo dog and being accosted, beaten up, robbed and his foo foo dog indecently assaulted..

Nicer neighborhoods are typically lower crime for a reason, which is why people with money move to those neighborhoods, along with having better schools, hotter MILF's and perhaps nicer places to take your family versus the "hood" where you generally can't find a nice place to eat a simple Arugula and Raddichio salad with rainbow carrots and Lobster tail, Stone Crab, or a decent pan seared tuna on top with a zesty balsamic vinaigrette and a sparkling light Rose Champagne of decent vintage...

Or, so I have heard.

 

[Sunrise]

****That is unlikely to happen. You still of course have burglary, robbery, car theft, etc.. (but much less of it..) but it is still rare to have some well to do dude in his Polo shirt, slacks, and Ferragamo shoes walking his foo foo dog and being accosted, beaten up, robbed and his foo foo dog indecently assaulted..

Nicer neighborhoods are typically lower crime for a reason, which is why people with money move to those neighborhoods, along with having better schools, hotter MILF's and perhaps nicer places to take your family versus the "hood" where you generally can't find a nice place to eat a simple Arugula and Raddichio salad with rainbow carrots and Lobster tail, Stone Crab, or a decent pan seared tuna on top with a zesty balsamic vinaigrette and a sparkling light Rose Champagne of decent vintage...

Or, so I have heard.

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Love this comment. Well done.

A number of dogs have actually been stolen at gunpoint in the past couple of years. Just Google "DC Stolen Dogs" and you'll see the articles about it. Just awful people doing this. They're bound to run into someone who's carrying one day....

People have such radical empathy for criminals it's hard to believe, but that's the best definition of what's going on here. "We can't put these criminals in prison for too long because then it'll show how oppressive we are. If we release them sooner it'll show how virtuous we are."

 

[wpage]

Would love to understand the rational, and discussion regarding this passage...

Were they thinking that these folk carry illegal guns were thinking of protecting themselves? Or are criminals with shabby intent.

 

[Sunrise]

Would love to understand the rational, and discussion regarding this passage...

Were they thinking that these folk carry illegal guns were thinking of protecting themselves? Or are criminals with shabby intent.

"Forget it Jake. It's Chinatown."

 

[Sunrise]

The neighborhoods the rich folk live in will need to become just as dangerous as the "other" neighborhoods . Then and only then will the pendulum swing back.

I want to believe.