DC 20 round carry limit repealed - Thank you St Thomas

[Stoveman]

Please tell us that you were given more precise information than the FPC announcement. Are you saying that the FPC announcement is 100% incorrect? Or that the MPD post is 100% incorrect?

Explain why you didn’t post it first.

I’ll wait.

Let me know when you’re willing to step up and put in the hours and personal skin in the management of an organization - as an unpaid volunteer. You can start my coming out every weekend and man the MSI table in Frederick, Ocean City, and Chantilly.

What exactly are you doing for the organization?

Go back and read the article in the OP and compare it to your response and it will be quite obvious.

I don't have to explain myself to you so go kick rocks.

 

[swinokur]

MPD writes the regulations governing firearms. Yes, an unelected Chief has the authority to promulgate and enforce regulations- not law.

Because the statute delegates that power to him by allowing him to promulgate through regs, not statute

The mag limit was a reg not a statute

Completely legal like it or not


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[Longhorse]

MPD writes the regulations governing firearms. Yes, an unelected Chief has the authority to promulgate and enforce regulations- not law.

Isn't that kind of splitting hairs? Especially if someone could get arrested due to violating one of these regulations. The notice also refers to the change as a "change in law."

 

[Longhorse]

Read the whole thing - At the urging of the Chief , the DC City Council passed Emergency Legislation to remove that specific subsection .

And the now removed subsection is quoted above in its entirety . It does not address magazine capacity , only the total number of rounds a Licensee may have on their persons .

The original post doesn't have any mention of the DC City Council that I can see. But it does say "the Chief has determined that emergency rulemaking action is prudent and necessary for the immediate preservation of the welfare of District residents and to enable the District to avoid accruing liability for attorney fees in legal challenges. The Chief immediately repeals the challenged provision, 24 DCMR 2343.1, to effect a change in law sooner than otherwise would be possible."

I'm not seeing anything about the DC City Council in the notice.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

2343.1A person issued a concealed carry license by the Chief, while carrying the pistol, shall not carry more ammunition than is required to fully load the pistol twice, and in no event shall that amount be greater than twenty (20) rounds of ammunition.


That law is now repealed.

However. District of Columbia. D.C. Official Code § 7-2506.01 prohibits the possession of a high capacity ammunition feeding devices.

Actual wording. b) No person in the District shall possess, sell, or transfer any large capacity ammunition feeding device regardless of whether the device is attached to a firearm. For the purposes of this subsection, the term “large capacity ammunition feeding device” means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The term “large capacity ammunition feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.


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[swinokur]

So the council removed the portion of the reg, making it official

End of story


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[swinokur]

Handgunla.us will be updated tonight with the change


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[cornstalk]

This video by Washington Law explains why they dropped the 20 round limitation.

 

[huesmann]

Now if they could just get rid of all of those ridiculous sensitive place restrictions then the DC permit might actually be worth getting for more than just driving through.

Where have you been the last two years? Guns aside, DC has done nothing to make it worth driving through except to save some mileage. More traffic cameras (read: $$$), lower speed limits (see: traffic cameras), doing stupid schitt like making red lights and stop signs optional for cyclists. Even if they let you open carry everywhere you wanted, it still wouldn't be worth driving through, unless you wanted to save 5 miles on your odometer.

 

[swinokur]

And just outlawed right turn on red

No thanks


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[ralph.mclean]

YOU ARE STILL LIMITED TO 10-ROUND MAGAZINES IN DC. The mere possession of a magazine capable of being loaded with more than 10 rounds will subject you to arrest for the charge, "Carrying a large-capacity ammunition feeding device."

 

[Biggfoot44]

Yup . But no longer limited to only one of them . ( Or speedloaders , or belt loops , or whatever .)

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Waiting for the lawsuit against no carry on public transportation.
I’ll happily be a plaintiff.


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[Ismee]

Waiting for the lawsuit against no carry on public transportation.
I’ll happily be a plaintiff.


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Filed!

ANGELO et al v. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (1:22-cv-01878), District Of Columbia District Court

ANGELO et al v. DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (1:22-cv-01878), District Of Columbia District Court, Filed: 06/30/2022

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[antco]

Yup . But no longer limited to only one of them . ( Or speedloaders , or belt loops , or whatever .)

Was not recently limited to one. Was limited to two, with a total carried round count of 20.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Was previously limited to one gun load , plus one reload , AND no more than 20 rounds .

So a Revolver would have been 10 or 12 rds , a Derringer 4 rds , etc .

 

[rascal]

MPD writes the regulations governing firearms. Yes, an unelected Chief has the authority to promulgate and enforce regulations- not law.

No, a huge amount of firearm law in DC is regulatory. And the Chief absolutely does the the explicit power to enforce, and indeed promulgate regulatory law in DC concerning firearms.

 

[swinokur]

There’s more regs than statute


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[rascal]

YOU ARE STILL LIMITED TO 10-ROUND MAGAZINES IN DC. The mere possession of a magazine capable of being loaded with more than 10 rounds will subject you to arrest for the charge, "Carrying a large-capacity ammunition feeding device."

Oh many DC regs on firearms and carry have no criminal penalty. Possession of over 10 round mag is not just explicity criminal, with a penalty, it is a felony. And you do not need to bee carrying that over 10 round mag to arrested and convicted. It can be sitting in your DC home unloaded.
Also keep in mind FOPA covers firearms, but not mags. As we know from NJ and NY you can drive though and if you are fopa compliant can have a gun that is not legal in NY and NJ and are covered by FOPA if you are doing everything right by FOPA, BUT NY and NJ do arrest and prosecute for magazine that is not legal in NY and NJ as they say it is not the firearm

 

[rascal]

There’s more regs than statute


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Exactly. Regulations are law. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know the basics of US civics. In the United states, Laws are made a) directly by people via referenda, 2) by legislatures through legislation 3) by courts through case law (you know, like 2008 Heller), and 4) by authorized government officials creating administrative or regulatory LAW.