Do you think maybe...

[Rex0915]

I still put a all the blame on the BS state, but do you think if Adam Lanza's mother had her rifle in a safe, we might not be all screwed?

 

[occbrian]

How do you know it wasn't in a safe?

 

[eruby]

I thought it was locked up and he killed her and got the key.

 

[UNcommon Arms]

Or he could have just gotten in his car and drove through the school playground at recess. Then we'd be banning SUV's

 

[Brooklyn]

I still put a all the blame on the BS state, but do you think if Adam Lanza's mother had her rifle in a safe, we might not be all screwed?

Pure speculation. And no they would wait for the next one..

Time to fight. Period.

 

[XCheckR]

We would know for sure, but CT still hasnt completed the report!!!!!!!!!!! its only be 10 months....

 

[Raineman]

People who are intent on doing harm are going to find a way to do it regardless of what might be in their way.

Short of him serving himself a bullet sandwich, nothing was going to stop him from doing evil. He would have used any tool he could get his hands on.

 

[ReticulateLemur]

Or he could have just gotten in his car and drove through the school playground at recess. Then we'd be banning SUV's

No we wouldn't. Cars aren't meant to murder babies in the same way that guns are, so there's no reason to ban or regulate cars. It sadly all comes down to perception.

The average person sees hundreds or thousands of cars a day, all being used safely. Their baseline perception of cars is that they are safe. If someone were to drive a car through a playground and injure half of an elementary school class only the driver would be blamed because this is perceived as an anomaly to the average person. An obvious exception would be if there was some kind of defect in the model car that prevented its safe operation (such as faulty brakes or stuck accelerators). Then there'd be a recall for obvious reasons.

To a non-shooter, guns are only seen in the media as tools used to kill people. Whether it's in an action movie, a crime drama on TV, or the evening news guns go boom and people die. They only see guns as a way to kill people. And anything that's meant to kill someone needs to be heavily controlled in their eyes. It probably also comes down to the fact that these active shooters are going after people that shouldn't be in harms way.

Think about it like this: When you drive your car, you know the risks associated with riding inside a two ton piece of metal at 65 mph down the highway, so you can protect yourself with airbags and seatbelts and such. It's an accepted risk associated with the operation of an automobile. But unless you live in Israel, nobody goes to school or to the movies or to the mall or to work and thinks about the possibility of an active shooter. It's just not something that happens.

I've had people tell me that 30k people being killed by guns annually is completely different than 30k people being killed in automobile incidents. The only reason I can think of is that it's all due to perceptions. To me, 30k dead one way or the other is terrible, but I'm being a bit more rational about it I feel. To highjack the Joker from TDK, 30k people dead from automobiles and everyone's fine. But 30k people dead from firearms and everyone loses their mind.

 

[hvymax]

The Domestic Enemies would have had to wait a little longer. At least till this week.

 

[iggy]

I thought it was locked up and he killed her and got the key.

he shot her, how does he shoot her prior to getting the safe open if the gun was in the safe?

It would be nice to see an offical report on this to end the speculation.

Unfortunately, even if Sandy Hook had somehow been prevented, there is going to be another mass shooting. The antis will always use them......

 

[TxAggie]

We would know for sure, but CT still hasnt completed the report!!!!!!!!!!! its only be 10 months....

They haven't RELEASED the report. I think it's been (mostly) completed.

There have been multiple PIA requests for crime scene photos and autopsies, all of which have been denied. The legislature even passed a law sealing the information for an extended time IIRC.

 

[Bohlieve410]

We'd be a lot better off with what seems like a constant stream of IGOs in the media.

 

[Slimster22]

I still put a all the blame on the BS state, but do you think if Adam Lanza's mother had her rifle in a safe, we might not be all screwed?

No, I think the modern American leftist movement wants to disarm us by any means necessary. The will chase any ambulance that goes by. If none go by, they will still stand at the corner and bark as loud as they can.

 

[Shift]

They haven't RELEASED the report. I think it's been (mostly) completed.

There have been multiple PIA requests for crime scene photos and autopsies, all of which have been denied. The legislature even passed a law sealing the information for an extended time IIRC.

I'm not a tin foil hat guy but everything about Sandy Hook was/is fishy, I don't believe things happened the way it was portrayed.

 

[wilcam47]

I thought it was locked up and he killed her and got the key.

she could have had a gun out for protection he found that and shot her took her safe key and got the rest of the guns...or he could have just got the guns then shot her...if its a keyed safe it was probably on her key ring...all this is pure speculation.. but as was mentioned...if someone evil has or doesn't have access to guns and wants to do something bad they are still going to do it with or with out guns...

 

[eruby]

he shot her, how does he shoot her prior to getting the safe open if the gun was in the safe?

It would be nice to see an offical report on this to end the speculation.

Unfortunately, even if Sandy Hook had somehow been prevented, there is going to be another mass shooting. The antis will always use them......

Flux Capacitor?

It would be nice to see an offical report on this to end the speculation.

 

[smokering]

I'm not a tin foil hat guy but everything about Sandy Hook was/is fishy, I don't believe things happened the way it was portrayed.

Sure, just look at all the misinformation released by the media on the Navy Yard shootings and they were on the scene as it was going on with dozens of eyewitnesses.
Also a willing spoon fed medical trauma professional discussing the dramatic and devastating injuries caused by an "assault rifle" on air live.

 

[iggy]

Flux Capacitor?

yeah, you are right, nothing is going to end the speculation and the tinfoil hat wearers will just double down on their conspiracy theories.

Where i stand is, if you own guns it is your responsibility to make sure they are properly secured. This is particularly true if you have a person living in your home who has mental illness.

personal responsibility....

 

[Beemerguy]

No we wouldn't. Cars aren't meant to murder babies in the same way that guns are, so there's no reason to ban or regulate cars. It sadly all comes down to perception.

The average person sees hundreds or thousands of cars a day, all being used safely. Their baseline perception of cars is that they are safe. If someone were to drive a car through a playground and injure half of an elementary school class only the driver would be blamed because this is perceived as an anomaly to the average person. An obvious exception would be if there was some kind of defect in the model car that prevented its safe operation (such as faulty brakes or stuck accelerators). Then there'd be a recall for obvious reasons.

To a non-shooter, guns are only seen in the media as tools used to kill people. Whether it's in an action movie, a crime drama on TV, or the evening news guns go boom and people die. They only see guns as a way to kill people. And anything that's meant to kill someone needs to be heavily controlled in their eyes. It probably also comes down to the fact that these active shooters are going after people that shouldn't be in harms way.

Think about it like this: When you drive your car, you know the risks associated with riding inside a two ton piece of metal at 65 mph down the highway, so you can protect yourself with airbags and seatbelts and such. It's an accepted risk associated with the operation of an automobile. But unless you live in Israel, nobody goes to school or to the movies or to the mall or to work and thinks about the possibility of an active shooter. It's just not something that happens.

I've had people tell me that 30k people being killed by guns annually is completely different than 30k people being killed in automobile incidents. The only reason I can think of is that it's all due to perceptions. To me, 30k dead one way or the other is terrible, but I'm being a bit more rational about it I feel. To highjack the Joker from TDK, 30k people dead from automobiles and everyone's fine. But 30k people dead from firearms and everyone loses their mind.

You're exactly right on every point.

When a drunk driver kills someone, the press doesn't immediately demand to know what kind of vehicle he drove, how much horsepower it has, etc.

When a child pornographer is arrested, nobody wonders what sort of computer he has.

No craven politician condemns cell phones because they are the principle communications tool of drug dealers.

With respect to everything except firearms, we understand that the device -- car, computer, cell phone, etc. -- is merely a tool, and that a human being is responsible for how it is used.

Firearms owners are also the only consumers in our society who are challenged on their purchasing decisions.

An eighteen-year old can stroll into his local motorcycle dealer these days, and for less than $10,000, buy a vehicle that will accelerate from 0 to 60 in about 3 seconds, reach 100 mph in 5 seconds, and top out at three times the speed limit...and no liberal sneeringly asks "Why do you need that"?

The same situation applies to those who drive SUVs, or sports cars, or pick-up trucks...they can own whatever they want without challenge or opposition from anyone.

How many anti-gun libs live in McMansions with more room than they will ever need? Does anyone ever ask them why they need all that space?

The hypocrisy on this issue is sickening...

 

[Beemerguy]

yeah, you are right, nothing is going to end the speculation and the tinfoil hat wearers will just double down on their conspiracy theories.

Where i stand is, if you own guns it is your responsibility to make sure they are properly secured. This is particularly true if you have a person living in your home who has mental illness.

personal responsibility....

Absolutely right. Adam Lanza's mother was shockingly irresponsible, and we are all paying the price for it.

Yes, yes, I know, even if Sandy Hook had not happened, there would have been another mass-shooting incident eventually anyway. (In a nation of 300,000,000 people, with almost as many guns, such things will happen from time to time.) But the facts and timing of that event are what made it so devastating from our perspective.

Think about it: The Sandy Hook shooting happened during the Christmas season and the victims were mostly children. The Maryland General Assembly was about to go into session. Our egomaniacal, publicity-seeking Governor wanted to boost his national street-cred with the far-left of his party. Thus the direct result of the Sandy Hook shooting was the oppressive anti-gun bills the MGA passed last session. If Sandy Hook -- or something similar -- had happened in late April, October 1 would be just the start of another month.