Frederick Sheriff and Dealer in Hot Water

[csanc123]

What did I miss?

I thought someone with personal knowledge gave examples of departments with that weapon in inventory.

How are the local agencies supposed to beat down the vast threat of insurrection and rising neo-nastyism without machine guns?

Are you implying such threats are overstated?

A SAW is good for well...what we referred to as "population" control in the corp and perhaps firing on

 

[brianns]

BPD, unless they are contracting out (think michaels machine), wouldn't be able to keep 21s running. I have time on 11s and they are a PITA. Know two guys who have 21s and that system is a cantankerous bastard.

At least two fed LE groups have saws. Probably more, but I know of two. One has 240s (again, probably more but one for sure). There are still departments that have legal m2s in their inventories. Frederick city has at least one belt fed (probably still doesn't work) and a pile of shoulder fired autos. They dumped their MP5s for shorty m4s. Have a tommy gun too. I can keep going.

I heard about them from the folks who sold them the initial order. They had a few transferrable ones left over that weren't bought which is what prompted my questions and how the info came up about the police buying them. So the info seemed reliable just for sh$%^ and giggles. This was years ago.

 

[clandestine]

If the feds need a conviction MDS would have some great jury pool candidates.

Redcoats

 

[brianns]

A SAW is good for well...what we referred to as "population" control in the corp and perhaps firing on

We had a story in the Marine Corps about the SAW in Haiti and population control of a local police department down there.

 

[4g64loser]

I heard about them from the folks who sold them the initial order. They had a few transferrable ones left over that weren't bought which is what prompted my questions and how the info came up about the police buying them. So the info seemed reliable just for sh$%^ and giggles. This was years ago.

Not saying they don't own em. Probably do. I'm saying that they are probably in the back of a locker broke. Because I've had to work on guns that "police armorers" have serviced. A guy I did work for got a lot of business fixing old "evidence locker" guns for PDs. They just wanted to play with them. Is this a legitimate law enforcement use? Is a tommy gun or an mg34 suitable for daily LE use? How about some FAL variants? A water cooled .50bmg?

 

[Sgt6402]

I was kind of looking around for it. I couldn’t see down the one end by the retail counters. But had no idea the confiscation had occurred. I’m just caught up partially when people began talking about the PNC bank thing.

 

[brianns]

Not saying they don't own em. Probably do. I'm saying that they are probably in the back of a locker broke. Because I've had to work on guns that "police armorers" have serviced. A guy I did work for got a lot of business fixing old "evidence locker" guns for PDs. They just wanted to play with them. Is this a legitimate law enforcement use? Is a tommy gun or an mg34 suitable for daily LE use? How about some FAL variants? A water cooled .50bmg?

I gotcha. I think I wanted to just express a little more about how I came upon the info.

 

[4g64loser]

I gotcha. I think I wanted to just express a little more about how I came upon the info.

I actively dislike the BPD. I hope they got straight pounded with no lube on the price of those 21s. I also hope your friends refused to sell them parts of provide any repair service.

I also hope you got to shoot the guns on someone else's ammo!

 

[T-Man]

Can you imagine if a LE agency actually used a SAW against the public what the result would be? In this day and age, there is no justification for them to have one period.

Only police and military should have SAW’s…wait…

It seems like from the regulation there is a whole world of gray area the sheriff could rely on in response to the case - aside from the Constitutional issues - if they don‘t have them on paper or through someone who has agreed to testify. Who can tell the sheriff, the head of the offce, what to evaluate and why do the feds get to say a SAW is inappropriate for law enforcement, for example. I dont think they need one, but why does the Fed gov get to declare that?

Yet, none of that will matter if the prosecution has them conspiring for the benefit of TMGN and the Sheriff’s campaign.

 

[John from MD]

Only police and military should have SAW’s…wait…

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Yet, none of that will matter if the prosecution has them conspiring for the benefit of TMGN and the Sheriff’s campaign.

That about sizes it up.

 

[RFBfromDE]

A water cooled .50bmg?

When the insurrectionists and neo-nastys come after us in planes and helocoptors that would come in handy!

 

[TI-tick]

Can you imagine if a LE agency actually used a SAW against the public what the result would be? In this day and age, there is no justification for them to have one period.

Waco and Ruby Ridge agrees.

1992 LA bank robbers smile.

ISIS, etc. have no comment.

 

[DanGuy48]

Only police and military should have SAW’s…wait…

It seems like from the regulation there is a whole world of gray area the sheriff could rely on in response to the case - aside from the Constitutional issues - if they don‘t have them on paper or through someone who has agreed to testify. Who can tell the sheriff, the head of the offce, what to evaluate and why do the feds get to say a SAW is inappropriate for law enforcement, for example. I dont think they need one, but why does the Fed gov get to declare that?

Yet, none of that will matter if the prosecution has them conspiring for the benefit of TMGN and the Sheriff’s campaign.

So the ultimate suspicion is that TMGN was using the machine guns obtained through the law letters as rental units to fund a re-election campaign (or something else) for Jenkins?

 

[4g64loser]

When the insurrectionists and neo-nastys come after us in planes and helocoptors that would come in handy!

What about f14s and nukes? Will ma deuce work against those? Because uncle joe the slow said no

 

[N3YMY]

Can you imagine if a LE agency actually used a SAW against the public what the result would be? In this day and age, there is no justification for them to have one period.

I do not disagree.

However, at the rate things are going these days… :/

 

[brianns]

I actively dislike the BPD. I hope they got straight pounded with no lube on the price of those 21s. I also hope your friends refused to sell them parts of provide any repair service.

I also hope you got to shoot the guns on someone else's ammo!

No such luck. It was just an FFL, I was using their range. Now I have a cousin who was BPD. I was never around him too much to talk about the job and his experiences. Probably retired by now. I was at a funeral with him but wasn't going ask about the HKs there.

 

[scottyfz6]

I don't know how the machine gun places work that rent full autos, but don't most of them do this same thing? Use a "loophole" in the law that allows them to purchase machine guns for "testing"? I mean if they go after TMGN wouldn't they go after all of them? I can't believe the are all using transferrables, are they?

I’m having the same questions. I thought dealers were allowed to use such firearms for such purposes as long as they were not selling them.

Maybe profit is not a valid ‘reason’ for ffls to acquire or manufacture MGs. Possibly needs to be for bona fide ‘research or demonstration’. I can see how they might run afoul of the ATF. And it seems it would be easy for the ATF to investigate the legitimacy of such ranges that clearly profit from rentals.

If I understand it right, demo letters are for demonstration/evaluation to law enforcement only for new MG. Using it to rent is the no no.


Shops that rent MG either buy them from another sot who bought them or built them or built them themselves. Aka you get a demo letter MG and show it to the local cops. When you close your shop you can sell it to another SOT who can rent it out, Or you build the MG and you can rent it out. A SOT can build a new M16, and rent it out all day, but they cant get a letter and buy a HK416 in FA on a demo letter and rent it out.

I think its how it works.

 

[brianns]

A SOT can build a new M16, and rent it out all day, but they cant get a letter and buy a HK416 in FA on a demo letter and rent it out.

I think its how it works.

That makes sense to me, as does the other portion I didn't quote. Thanks for offering that explanation.

 

[RFBfromDE]

So the ultimate suspicion is that TMGN was using the machine guns obtained through the law letters as rental units to fund a re-election campaign (or something else) for Jenkins?

The appearance of a conflict of interest is clear evidence of felonious chicanery.

Depending on who or what is in power.

 

[Blacksmith101]

What about f14s and nukes? Will ma deuce work against those? Because uncle joe the slow said no

Slow Joe also lied about the founding fathers not being able to own cannons and battleships if they wished.