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DHS buys 7000 full-auto assault rifles, calls them ‘personal defense weapons’

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Mike Adams
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Jan 28, 2013

In yet another huge blow to the rhetoric and narrative of the Obama administration and its desire to disarm the American public, a DHS bid has been uncovered (see documents below) showing that the Department of Homeland Security recently put out an offer to purchase 7,000 full-auto “assault weapons” to be used domestically, inside the USA.

Keep in mind that President Obama is on the record saying, “AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals; that they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities.”

But it seems he really means they don’t belong on the streets of our cities unless they are in the hands of homeland security enforcers, in which case they can be FULL-AUTO assault weapons.

The DHS bid for 7,000 full-auto assault weapons is found by clicking here. The original credit for discovering this goes, to my best knowledge, to Awr Hawkins at Breitbart.com.

In the hands of the government, they’re called “Personal Defense Weapons”

The juiciest part of this bid is the use of the phrase “Personal Defense Weapons” to describe the full-auto AR-15s being purchased by DHS.

Apparently, when YOU hold an AR-15, it’s an “assault rifle.” But magically, if you hand that same rifle to an armed government homeland security enforcer, it instantly transforms itself into a “personal defense weapon.”

A d v e r t i s e m e n t

The request for bid actually says:

DHS and its components have a requirement for a 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense use in close quarters and / or when maximum concealment is required.

So there it is, right in black and white: DHS enforcers need full-auto AR-15s which are “suitable for personal defense in close quarters” and for “maximum concealment.”

But if you or I make the same claim, suddenly we are branded lunatics by the fringe left and all the gun grabbers across America who apparently have no clue that their own government is arming up like never before.

Senator Feinstein, the gun-grabbing Senator from California, says she wants to take all the guns from all Americans. “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,” she says on the record. But while Mr. and Mrs. America are turning in their guns, ‘roid-head DHS goons are arming to the teeth with full-auto assault rifles.

This is all on top of the 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition the U.S. government has already stockpiled, as was discovered last year. What kind of government wants to domestically stockpile ammo and full-auto weapons, putting them in the hands of domestic agents who have nothing whatsoever to do with overseas wars? Well, the kind of government that plans to NEED 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and full-auto assault weapons, of course.

Read some language from the contract bid: Pistol grips, full-auto and more

Click here to see the bid.

Here’s some selected text from the bid:

ICE/Mission Support-DC
Immigration and Customs Enforcement
Office of Acquisition Management
801 I Street NW, Suite 980
Washington DC 20536

Troy Teachey, troy.teachey@dhs.gov

Delivery Location Code: ICE/AS/NFTTU
ICE Natl Firearm Tactical Trng Unit
Immigration and Customs Enforcement
500 12th ST SW, Washington DC 20536

5.56X45mm NATO Personal Defense Weapon

During the base period and four option periods of this contract the maximum ceiling is $9,800,000.

Click here for the PDF document containing the following text:

The scope of this contract is to provide a total of up to 7,000 5.56x45mm North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) personal defense weapons (PDW) throughout the life of this contract to numerous Department of Homeland Security components.

The action shall be select-fire (capable of semi-automatic and automatic fire).

The action shall be capable of accepting all standard NATO STANAG 20 and 30 round M16 magazines (NSN 1005-00-921-5004) and Magpul 30 round PMAG (NSN 1005-01-576-5159). The magazine shall have a capacity to hold thirty (30) 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.

The receiver top shall be equipped with an integral MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail for mounting sights and other accessories.

The fire control selector shall have three positions; safe, semi-automatic, and automatic.

The pistol grip shall be a fixed, vertical pistol grip constructed of a durable material.

DHS admits AR-15 with 30-round magazine is “suitable for personal defense use in close quarters”

This government document openly admits that AR-15s with 30-round magazines and capable of fully automatic fire are “suitable for personal defense” in close quarters (i.e. your home).

CNN, of course, doesn’t want you to ever hear that. Nor does Feinstein, Cuomo, Schumer, Obama, Eric Holder or any other gun grabbers. Even while their own government is arming up with 1.6 billion rounds of ammo and 7,000 full-auto “assault rifles” (plus lots more in other bids), they are trying to completely disarm the American citizenry through new gun registration and confiscation legislation.

The whole point of all this, of course, is to create firepower disparity between the government and the citizenry… To disarm the People while arming up the government agents who operate domestically. That way, the people can be forced at gunpoint into doing almost anything the oppressive government demands! (Taking vaccine shots, giving up private property, turning over farms and businesses, etc.)

What’s really hard-hitting about this is that the radical left keeps claiming things like “no one needs an assault rifle for personal defense.” Okay, if that true, then the Department of Homeland Security should abandon all such rifles first! Let’s see DHS turn in all its rifles and ammo, thereby setting an example of the “fact” that “nobody needs an assault rifle” for self defense.

In truth, a full-auto AR-15 is an outstanding weapon for self defense, which is exactly why DHS is buying thousands of them. Nothing stops bad guys faster than a barrage of high-velocity lead aimed in their direction. Again, that’s why DHS wants these rifles in the first place. One of these rifles in the hands of a citizen could have stopped the Sandy Hook shooting in seconds.

Pay attention to the word games (which are really mind games)

As you observe the highly manipulated gun control argument, pay special attention to the word games you’re being subjected to:

An AR-15 in the hands of a citizen is an “assault rifle.”
But an AR-15 in the hands of a DHS agent is a “Personal Defense Weapon.”

A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a citizen is called a “machine gun.”
A full-auto-capable rifle in the hands of a DHS agent is called a “select-fire rifle.”

According to the media, all government agents with assault rifles are presumed innocent and assumed to be stopping crime.

But all private citizens with assault rifles are presumed guilty and assumed to be causing crime.

When one citizen goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the call goes out for ALL citizens to be stripped of their firearms.

But when one government agent goes crazy and murders a bunch of people, the calls goes out for MORE guns to be placed in the hands of MORE government agents!

Thank you, DHS, for admitting the truth

In summary, it looks like we actually need to thank the DHS for admitting the truth that Obama won’t: AR-15s are personal defense weapons, suitable for use in close quarters, especially when equipped with 30-round magazines.

That’s why I own one, and it’s why DHS wants thousands more (but theirs are full-auto, while mine is only semi-auto).

As a general rule, all freedom-loving Americans should want the same firepower their domestic government possesses. That’s the whole point behind the Second Amendment, and it represents the distribution of power in a free society.

But instead of firepower being equal in America today, DHS is using our taxpayer dollars to purchase thousands of full-auto weapons for their own agents. This is apparently being done under ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement).

This brings up the question for another entire article, and here’s the question: Why does immigration need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? Is there a friggin’ Mexican invasion planned that nobody told me about? Is ICE going to invade Mexico and start a shooting war with the Mexican drug cartels?

Seriously: Why does ICE need 7,000 full-auto assault rifles? And why does DHS need 1.6 billion rounds of ammo?

Sources for this story include:
http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/department-homeland-security-la…
http://radioviceonline.com/department-of-homeland-security-sport-rifl…
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/14/Who-Needs-An-AR-15
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Sui Juris says:
January 29, 2013 at 1:47 am

ARAGH!

Stop pushing. I will shoot.
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Anonymous says:
January 29, 2013 at 12:21 am

(cont.) In fact, the Wehrmacht focused on maximizing squad-based direct firepower to counter their enemies’ manpower and indirect firepower advantage using, among other weapons, submachine guns (later, using assault rifles as well), which made coping with a firefight unbelievably difficult for those on the receiving end.

To those who would dismiss the Wehrmacht out of hand:

The Allies won DESPITE of their squads’ firepower deficit, not BECAUSE of it.

While airpower is well-known as a key factor in the Allied victory, what is less-publicized is that on the squad level, artillery was much more heavily relied upon by the US than anybody else except for perhaps the Soviets. In fact, in practice, US infantry doctrine almost always boiled down to making contact with the enemy and popping off rounds to fix their positions until the arty drowned them in steel. The standard US infantryman was simply not as well-trained or in possession of enough man-portable firepower to reliably win a straight-up squad-on-squad fire and maneuver firefight against his German counterpart.

The Soviets were even more straightforward: they’d saturate the enemy in massive bombardments, then overwhelm their enemy with gigantic hordes of infantry to precede their waves of armor. If the defense held, they’d simply do the same thing at another part of the line until all the enemy’s reserves were committed and their defenses broken. No finesse required, just oceans of blood.

(The Brits were the most like the Germans professionally speaking but their contribution was smaller than the other two Allies. In an economic sense, their participation was not a “make or break” deal for the Allies.)

In other words, the Germans were simply outproduced, not outfought, so dismissing the tactics they pioneered because “they lost the war” is a grave mistake.

Full-auto weapons are the centerpiece of all firefights, and to lose sight of that fact for the “good ol’ boy with a rifle”…
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Montanabulldog says:
January 28, 2013 at 11:48 pm

Let them get ANYTHING they want . . . its “NOT” going to save them. They want to bring on the FIRESTORM ? . . . then they “WILL” get, what they GET.
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 11:42 pm

I’m pro-2nd Amendment all the way, but I feel the need to point out a few things so that our message is more effective.

“Personal Defense Weapon” (PDW) isn’t an Orwellian term made up as a result of the recent gun control debate, as this article seems to imply. It is a class of firearms in between an SMG and an assault rifle, usually used by support units as emergency weapons in rear areas. Think of them as SMGs chambered in rifle caliber or assault rifles (automatic carbines, if you want to narrow it down) with the profile of an SMG.

Look up “personal defense weapon” on Wikipedia.

Full-auto weapons aren’t overrated, as commenters and Alex Jones have said. History–especially from WWII onwards–has shown time and time again that whoever gains fire superiority usually wins the engagement. The phrase “all the bullets in the world won’t help if they don’t hit their target” is a MYTH. Even if NONE of the lead pumped out by your base of fire wounds or kills your enemy, as long as it pins them down while the rest of your squad/buddies/freedom fighters etc. close in to finish them off, it’s doing its job effectively. Basic fire and maneuver.

I love our (US) gun culture as much as the next guy, but I admit that it has one major shortcoming: its celebrates the “one shot, one kill” Davy Crockett stereotype that is a product of our frontier history. It was because of this culture that US squads sent to the ETO were built around the semi-auto M1 Garand with a few magazine-fed automatic weapons like the M1 carbine, BAR, and Thompson as support (Browning M1919 .30 machine guns were placed in a separate weapons platoon and were a company-level asset) to get overwhelmed by German squads built around the belt-fed MG 42. (One MG 42 could put out a higher volume of fire than an entire US squad, and in the second half of the war most German squads had two). (continued)
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Anonymous says:
January 29, 2013 at 12:25 am

(cont.) In fact, the Wehrmacht focused on maximizing squad-based direct firepower to counter their enemies’ manpower and indirect firepower advantage using, among other weapons, submachine guns (later, using assault rifles as well), which made coping with a firefight unbelievably difficult for those on the receiving end.

To those who would dismiss the Wehrmacht out of hand:

The Allies won DESPITE of their squads’ firepower deficit, not BECAUSE of it.

While airpower is well-known as a key factor in the Allied victory, what is less-publicized is that on the squad level, artillery was much more heavily relied upon by the US than anybody else except for perhaps the Soviets. In fact, in practice, US infantry doctrine almost always boiled down to making contact with the enemy and popping off rounds to fix their positions until the arty drowned them in steel. The standard US infantryman was simply not as well-trained or in possession of enough man-portable firepower to reliably win a straight-up squad-on-squad fire and maneuver firefight against his German counterpart.

The Soviets were even more straightforward: they’d saturate the enemy in massive bombardments, then overwhelm their enemy with gigantic hordes of infantry to precede their waves of armor. If the defense held, they’d simply do the same thing at another part of the line until all the enemy’s reserves were committed and their defenses broken. No finesse required, just oceans of blood.

(The Brits were the most like the Germans professionally speaking but their contribution was smaller than the other two Allies. In an economic sense, their participation was not a “make or break” deal for the Allies.)

In other words, the Germans were simply outproduced, not outfought, so dismissing the tactics they pioneered because “they lost the war” is a grave mistake.

Full-auto weapons are the centerpiece of all firefights, and to lose sight of that fact for the “good ol’ boy with a rifle” US…
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maybeperfect says:
January 29, 2013 at 12:42 am

IMHO, the best use of automatic weapons is for air defense. For instance, a hit on a robot controlled drone with a semi would be a one in a million lucky shot, where a full auto with tracers loaded every third round would give one a fighting chance.
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Anonymous says:
January 29, 2013 at 1:14 am

Excellent point…even bolt-action K98ks fired in volleys proved surprisingly effective against low-flying P-47s.

In Vietnam, the NVA and VC used all firearms available for air defense. Even submachine guns were used against all low-flying aircraft, not just helicopters–to devastating effect.

UAVs are smaller targets but are less capable of evasive maneuvering and are very fragile relative to most manned military aircraft, so my gut tells me that you are right on the money.
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Sui Juris says:
January 29, 2013 at 2:01 am

You missed the entire point. Guns are not for self defense. They’re for hunting.
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 11:40 pm

I’m pro-2nd Amendment all the way, but I feel the need to point out a few things so that our message is more effective.

“Personal Defense Weapon” (PDW) isn’t an Orwellian term made up as a result of the recent gun control debate, as this article seems to imply. It is a class of firearms in between an SMG and an assault rifle, usually used by support units as emergency weapons in rear areas. Think of them as SMGs chambered in rifle caliber or assault rifles (automatic carbines, if you want to narrow it down) with the profile of an SMG.

Look up “personal defense weapon” on Wikipedia.

Full-auto weapons aren’t overrated, as commenters and Alex Jones have said. History–especially from WWII onwards–has shown time and time again that whoever gains fire superiority usually wins the engagement. The phrase “all the bullets in the world won’t help if they don’t hit their target” is a MYTH. Even if NONE of the lead pumped out by your base of fire wounds or kills your enemy, as long as it pins them down while the rest of your squad/buddies/freedom fighters etc. close in to finish them off, it’s doing its job effectively. Basic fire and maneuver.

I love our (US) gun culture as much as the next guy, but I admit that it has one major shortcoming: its celebrates the “one shot, one kill” Davy Crockett stereotype that is a product of our frontier history. It was because of this culture that US squads sent to the ETO were built around the semi-auto M1 Garand with a few magazine-fed automatic weapons like the M1 carbine, BAR, and Thompson as support (Browning M1919 .30 machine guns were placed in a separate weapons platoon and were a company-level asset) to get overwhelmed by German squads built around the belt-fed MG 42. (One MG 42 could put out a higher volume of fire than an entire US squad, and in the second half of the war most German squads had two).
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 11:12 pm

Why not call them what they really are, MACHINE GUNS.
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm

The DHS was originally known as the US Civil Defense. Their mission is to advise the local, state and national disorganized militias across the US. The disorganized militia, as defined by the DICK Act of 1903, is every able bodied American citizen to defend hearth and home against all invaders, foreign and domestic using their own personal provided arms. With these 7,000 or so select fire PDW, the DHS has plans to become the next domestic invaders. Time for me to dig in and build myself a bunker, of course my guns are always ready.
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:50 pm

They are going to need them when the economy collapses and has to deal with all of us patriots.
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Anonymous says:
January 29, 2013 at 5:38 am

what he said ^^
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SonOfSam says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:36 pm

Hey Alex, since you have the audience to collect some real signatures, you should start a petition on the WH website calling for the abolishment of ALL restrictions (infringements) on firearms.

If our Founders understood the need for citizens to possess cannons in the 1700′s, then they surely meant for the citizens to have access to full-auto’s in the 2000′s!

It’s a blatant hypocrisy for us to stand our ground when it comes to the restrictions on our semi-auto’s, but not to call for the restrictions to be lifted where full-auto’s are concerned.

Far as felons’ owning guns, if someone is so dangerous that they can’t be trusted with a gun, then they don’t need to be on the street’s to begin with. Dangerous people will always find a way to cause chaos or harm, lock em’ up!
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Methusla says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:54 pm

In the e-book novel Atlas on Ice, heavily armed Territorial Special Agents (TSA) enforce the laws with the Code Red Protocol (license to kill). Israel is arming rebels with rifles that can defeat TSA armor. It’s a scary look at what the future may hold for America. It may have foretold what our government is doing today. The parallels are eerie. As the rebel battle cry says – Die Fighting!
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raging bald man says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm

I hope that the people are prepared.
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ReadyFreddy says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:02 pm

Many are I have been to 6 different gun sellers in Minnesota and they have no AR’s or AK’s just a few bolt action hunting guns and some shotguns. Handgun choices are really small now but each store tells me its going to get better, get better how?
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AUDENTIS FORTUNA IUVAT says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:25 pm

Go on gunbroker.c-m you will pay but you can buy anything you want. It is very easy to set up an account.
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proudvietvet_59 says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:35 pm

Why in God’s name are folks not raising 10 kinds of hell with their Senators and Congressmen over this purchase using OUR tax dollars?

I am!!

Buy all you wish DHS, we are ready for your dumb asses. Come take on all of us Combat Veterans, both young and old. This is one you will wish you NEVER started……
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mtnman28715 says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm

And with all the crap gun manufacturers have taken, why are they filling this order? In the words of Nancy Reagan – just say NO!
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Methusla says:
January 28, 2013 at 8:04 pm

That is a great idea! However, it would be a lot of (borrowed) money to turn down.
I wish everyone would check out my ebook Atlas on Ice. The parallels between the story and what the government is doing today are eerie. Even to me and I wrote it. I thought I was writing fiction. I based it on what I saw happening in America four years ago. But, what I’m seeing now makes me think I might have written a foretelling. It’s downright scary. But, there is always hope as long as men are willing to stand up and defend with blood their God-given rights. Keep the Faith. Love America. Die Fighting! JA Robles – the Bard of South Brooklyn
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:09 pm

Why don’t these gun makers maybe…uhhhh…do a Chicago way…like you know….uhhh…uhhh…”Marco say he can’t meet those orders.”
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Anonymous says:
January 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm

7-F-0-U-0-C-0-K-0,,,,,,,,,,YOU
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