Harford County Ma and Pa Trail

[brianrose80]

In leiu of todays event… currently if you have a wear and carry is it legal to carry on the Ma and Pa trail or is that considered a state park to which it would be illegal? Why are state parks off limits?

 

[newmuzzleloader]

In leiu of todays event… currently if you have a wear and carry is it legal to carry on the Ma and Pa trail or is that considered a state park to which it would be illegal? Why are state parks off limits?

Not state, County. Verboten.

 

[Bertfish]

Rather carry afoul of county law than be dead myself

 

[tdt91]

In leiu of todays event… currently if you have a wear and carry is it legal to carry on the Ma and Pa trail or is that considered a state park to which it would be illegal? Why are state parks off limits?

It's not a state park.

 

[Bertfish]

The county bans weapons in their parks. Might be a town of Bel Air property, not sure. My folks live in Harford County and have tepeatedly been ignored by the "friendly" local politicians when they send messages about repeal of the ban in light of Bruen and the overall crime rate increase.

 

[Threeband]

... Why are state parks off limits?

Because Maryland sucks.

 

[Bertfish]

In leiu of todays event… currently if you have a wear and carry is it legal to carry on the Ma and Pa trail or is that considered a state park to which it would be illegal? Why are state parks off limits?

The historical record asks the same question. MSI is currently suing over the state park ban.

 

[Jimgoespewpew]

WTF happened on the trail??

 

[Bertfish]

WTF happened on the trail??

Local woman killed

 

[newmuzzleloader]

WTF happened on the trail??

37 yr old female went missing last night. Car was found at Williams St Body was found by 24 tunnel

 

[tdt91]

37 yr old female went missing last night. Car was found at Williams St Body was found by 24 tunnel

Have they reported cause of death yet?

 

[holesonpaper]

Only thing I’ve seen is they ruled a homicide.

 

[brianrose80]

The county bans weapons in their parks. Might be a town of Bel Air property, not sure. My folks live in Harford County and have tepeatedly been ignored by the "friendly" local politicians when they send messages about repeal of the ban in light of Bruen and the overall crime rate increase.

Does the county “ban” supercede state wear and carry ?

 

[Bertfish]

Does the county “ban” supercede state wear and carry ?

I'm not sure if it would stand up under pre-emption challenge. I'm just not that familiar.

@dblas do you happen to know?

 

[308Scout]

Does the county “ban” supercede state wear and carry ?

It's covered by an specific exemption to state pre-emption. Several of the local parks around here reference 4-209 in their posted rules regarding no firearms.

2022 Maryland Statutes :: Criminal Law :: Title 4 - Weapon Crimes :: Subtitle 2 - Handguns :: Section 4-209 - Regulation of Weapons and Ammunition

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Universal Citation: MD. Criminal Law Code § 4-209 (2022)
(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, the State preempts the right of a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district to regulate the purchase, sale, taxation, transfer, manufacture, repair, ownership, possession, and transportation of:
(1) a handgun, rifle, or shotgun; and
(2) ammunition for and components of a handgun, rifle, or shotgun.
(b) (1) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the purchase, sale, transfer, ownership, possession, and transportation of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section:
(i) with respect to minors;
(ii) with respect to law enforcement officials of the subdivision; and
(iii) except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, within 100 yards of or in a park, church, school, public building, and other place of public assembly.
(2) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may not prohibit the teaching of or training in firearms safety, or other educational or sporting use of the items listed in subsection (a) of this section.
(3) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may not prohibit the transportation of an item listed in subsection (a) of this section by a person who is carrying a court order requiring the surrender of the item, if:
(i) the handgun, rifle, or shotgun is unloaded;
(ii) the person has notified the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station that the item is being transported in accordance with the court order; and
(iii) the person transports the item directly to the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station.
(c) To the extent that a local law does not create an inconsistency with this section or expand existing regulatory control, a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may exercise its existing authority to amend any local law that existed on or before December 31, 1984.
(d) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, in accordance with law, a county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may regulate the discharge of handguns, rifles, and shotguns.
(2) A county, municipal corporation, or special taxing district may not prohibit the discharge of firearms at established ranges.

 

[cmb]

Rather carry afoul of county law than be dead myself

EVERY single time.

 

[outrider58]

Rather carry afoul of county law than be dead myself

Hear hear!

 

[dblas]

I'm not sure if it would stand up under pre-emption challenge. I'm just not that familiar.

@dblas do you happen to know?

4-209(b)(1)(iii), of the Criminal Law Article, permits a city to regulate carry within 100 of or in a park.

 

[Bob A]

Seemingly, the state and the counties want us dead. They're OK if the unarmed are killed as well, but those who would defend themselves must be disarmed.

Level playing field, don'tcha know?

 

[JoeyBimmer]

Seemingly, the state and the counties want us dead. They're OK if the unarmed are killed as well, but those who would defend themselves must be disarmed.

Level playing field, don'tcha know?

It is easier to simply ban carrying. It require more effort from the government if a victim shoots someone in self defense.

That is my theory on it. They do it for connivence. Plus, they can boost themselves telling us pleabs need them more because of the extra crime.