HB0004 Rifles and Shotguns - Secondary Transactions

[PowPow]

Updated OP with amendment. HB4 passed Second read with said amendment and is now on Third Read.

 

[PowPow]

Updated OP with link to third reader text.

 

[KevinK]

Delegate Atterbeary approves of this classified.

https://www.mdshooters.com/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=38583

MUST BE WILLING TO MEET AT STATE POLICE BARRACKS FOR BACKGROUND CHECK

 

[Doctor_M]

Come October 1, I fear this may be the law for everything. Stock up on face-to-face transfers now while you still can.

 

[danb]

I still dont get the amendment. So I can give the rifle to someone to take to the Dealer to sell. Sounds like a massive loophole to launder some long guns to me. Who thought this up and what is the actual problem? Oh, you mean the owner is a prohibited person who does not want to show his/her face. You dont say.

 

[Engine4]

Come October 1, I fear this may be the law for everything. Stock up on face-to-face transfers now while you still can.

Just cuz it's the law doesn't mean we have to follow it.

 

[danb]

Just cuz it's the law doesn't mean we have to follow it.

How the f u c k would they even know. The next guy does not even have to show up in person to deliver the rifle.


lmao

 

[Bertfish]

Delegate Atterbeary approves of this classified.

https://www.mdshooters.com/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=38583

That can't even be achieved. MSP wont do it

 

[Kharn]

I still dont get the amendment. So I can give the rifle to someone to take to the Dealer to sell. Sounds like a massive loophole to launder some long guns to me. Who thought this up and what is the actual problem? Oh, you mean the owner is a prohibited person who does not want to show his/her face. You dont say.

Or a mad spouse dump a guy's collection...

 

[Mark75H]

If this rifle and shotgun stuff passes in this session and becomes law in October, my partners and I will consider opening a new FFL in Kent County to facilitate transfers in that area. If some kind of LGQL becomes the law, we will also offer the class for it there as well.

 

[Doco Overboard]

I watched proceeding no 16 house floor activities. This Bitch Atterbeary is clearly out of her mind. She will gladly mint new criminals out of law abiding citizens while protecting drug dealers and straw purchasers who would intimidate socially and economically challenged persons while perpetuating criminality at the same time.
All the while discarding measures that would determine the usefulness of her bidding while insulating herself from ownership at the same time.

I have witnessed her more than one time demand facts and supporting documentation as a basis to consider opposition regarding her position and then fail to effectively communicate her reason for closure other than by resorting to ridicule to solidify her poorly thought out arguments.

It's a sad day for our our citizenry and our country. She can kiss my ass then call me Daddy while not being able to point out the Fork District at the same time. Then go straight to hell in a pink blazer.

 

[Mark75H]

I guess you are not contributing to her re-election campaign

 

[Sirex]

Sadly, I think this will pass. But, this is the beginning too. I think once all guns require a FFL transfer, they will start logging names with serial numbers. Guns recovered that may have been sold pre HB4 in a private sale, the burden will be on the seller to prove they sold it before HB4 became law. They will want to make legal gun owners criminals, and make exampls of them.

Then after a shooting where a relative got a gun from a family member, the family transfer exemption will end. Then they will tack on fees and taxes in the name of safety, with the funds going to "reduce gun violence". The taxes and fees will always increase, especially when the state needs more money, (Kirwan), and the next dem governor will see to that.

Then they'll require a LGQL, or just a general gun owners license that will require hurdles to jump overs, and yep, more fees. More extensive background checks, more wait periods. Insurance coverage, more training and storage requirements. Ammo limits and background checks. Regulations on reloading. And yes, again the push to regulate antiques and black powder items. They are trying to regulate and tax the 2A away. Remember safety isn't the goal, control is.

 

[Doctor_M]

Sadly, I think this will pass. But, this is the beginning too. I think once all guns require a FFL transfer, they will start logging names with serial numbers. Guns recovered that may have been sold pre HB4 in a private sale, the burden will be on the seller to prove they sold it before HB4 became law. They will want to make legal gun owners criminals, and make exampls of them.

Then after a shooting where a relative got a gun from a family member, the family transfer exemption will end. Then they will tack on fees and taxes in the name of safety, with the funds going to "reduce gun violence". The taxes and fees will always increase, especially when the state needs more money, (Kirwan), and the next dem governor will see to that.

Then they'll require a LGQL, or just a general gun owners license that will require hurdles to jump overs, and yep, more fees. More extensive background checks, more wait periods. Insurance coverage, more training and storage requirements. Ammo limits and background checks. Regulations on reloading. And yes, again the push to regulate antiques and black powder items. They are trying to regulate and tax the 2A away. Remember safety isn't the goal, control is.

I can't argue with a single point you make.

 

[Boondock Saint]

There are so many people who look forward to not complying with this ********.

 

[rseymorejr]

There are so many people who look forward to not complying with this ********.

Other than MD Shooters members and a few others, who's even going to be aware of it?

 

[whistlersmother]

Other than MD Shooters members and a few others, who's even going to be aware of it?

This. Hunters and trap shooters will continue doing what they're doing now.

My dad and his brothers would buy and sell long guns all the time to each other across state lines - no one cared, no one knew, they just did what they always did before GCA'68 was passed.

 

[PowPow]

Updated the OP. They passed HB4 87-47. It's on its way to the Senate now.

 

[Doctor_M]

Do they have time to rename this bill "The Black-Market Enhancement Act"?

 

[Raineman]

Do they have time to rename this bill "The Black-Market Enhancement Act For Outlaws"?

FIFY


Or, the Pre-Confiscation Act of 2020