HB1302-"The Neighborhood Bag Lady Can Take Your Guns" bill

[dreadpirate]

So, a bunch of lawyers pass a ******** law that ensures that people will need to hire a bunch of lawyers to straighten out their messes? Maybe they aren't as stupid as we think.

I was actually thinking that as I hit the submit button

 

[inkd]

Yes, the bag lady, daughter's stalker, bitter ex, angry addict relative who you refused to give money to, and neighbor you called on for beating his wife can still all take your guns with no due process. All they have to do is raise their right hand and say "I promise he said this to me......"

I thought that's what I read.

Elizabeth Packard weeps.

 

[Allen65]

So, a bunch of lawyers pass a ******** law that ensures that people will need to hire a bunch of lawyers to straighten out their messes? Maybe they aren't as stupid as we think.

Sorry, you don't get to sue the petitioner; see the House text:
5-602: (D) A PETITIONER WHO, IN GOOD FAITH, FILES A PETITION UNDER THIS
SUBTITLE IS NOT CIVILLY OR CRIMINALLY LIABLE FOR FILING THE PETITION.

 

[rwbow1969]

Afzali praising herself as a pro 2a delegate...... BS.

I told her she sold us out on HB888 and HB1302, she said I'm entitled to my opinion....


https://app.robly.com/archive?id=86f388a37f60e68eb6bd8c0bea0f83f6&v=true

 

[j_h_smith]

Afzali praising herself as a pro 2a delegate...... BS.

I told her she sold us out on HB888 and HB1302, she said I'm entitled to my opinion....


https://app.robly.com/archive?id=86f388a37f60e68eb6bd8c0bea0f83f6&v=true

You should have then said, that you're entitled to vote too.

 

[rwbow1969]

Deb Rey isn't any better, yet some in the "pro 2a" community defend and make excuses for her too. I'm told the alternative would be worse. I'm saying how can it be any worse if these "pro 2a" "Republicans" are voting like democrats. Hell, they don't even listen to the 2a community or our organizations when they write their own shitty bills.


Rant over....

 

[inkd]

Deb Rey isn't any better, yet some in the "pro 2a" community defend and make excuses for her too.
Rant over....

She had a Town Hall today in Ridge. I was going to go but the more I thought about her selling us out, the angrier I got and so I decided to go to the library and study for my finals.

 

[rwbow1969]

You should have then said, that you're entitled to vote too.

I told her "That's why there are elections".

I'm not a one issue voter, but I sure believe the 2nd amendment secures all our other rights and without it we're done. Man these two face politicians piss me off.

Thanks for hearing me rant.

 

[rwbow1969]

Maryland RINO's

 

[j_h_smith]

I told her "That's why there are elections".

I'm not a one issue voter, but I sure believe the 2nd amendment secures all our other rights and without it we're done. Man these two face politicians piss me off.

Thanks for hearing me rant.

I wasn't a one issue voter for years, but since 1994, I've seen that if the politicians will walk all over the 2nd, what's to stop them from denying me my other rights?

 

[BeoBill]

I wasn't a one issue voter for years, but since 1994, I've seen that if the politicians will walk all over the 2nd, what's to stop them from denying me my other rights?

You have attained enlightenment...

 

[j_h_smith]

You have attained enlightenment...

I just wish my weight could be as enlightened as my mind.......

 

[Parttime]

Voting for 3 gun bills has got to reduce the ratings of the turn coat republicans. I intend to remind my delegates of that fact, between now and election time.

 

[j_h_smith]

What pisses me off more than anything are the excuses. Who cares if no one opposed the Bill when they were in committee? Do we have to hold their hands and tell them how to vote on everything?

It's simple. Anything anti 2A, vote no. There, how's that for opposition testimony?

 

[dblas]

Afzali praising herself as a pro 2a delegate...... BS.

I told her she sold us out on HB888 and HB1302, she said I'm entitled to my opinion....


https://app.robly.com/archive?id=86f388a37f60e68eb6bd8c0bea0f83f6&v=true

Well, at least she isn't running for Delegate anymore, she is running for County Executive in Frederick County. A role for which I hope she loses.

 

[dblas]

I received this reply from Delegate Nick Kipke today.

I have an A+ grade from the NRA and endorsed every election because I always vote pro Second Amendment.

Like you, and like most Americans, I am deeply concerned about keeping our children and families safe in our schools and communities. In the wake of the horrific shooting in a Florida school earlier this year, there has been a renewed call in the media for increased gun control. Although I would do anything in my power to keep such a terrible event from happening again, I have never believed that more gun control is the answer. I don’t believe in punishing law-abiding Americans for the evil acts of a deranged few.

As you and I both know, there are other, better ways to ensure the safety of our children and families without infringing on the rights of the law-abiding gun owners in our country. In Maryland and in Anne Arundel County, County Executive Steve Schuh and Governor Larry Hogan are putting forward the necessary resources to have armed School Resource Officers at our schools, installing metal detectors, securing entryways, ensuring law enforcement has access to real-time video and communications, and much more.

In addition to funding for these important projects, there are several other proposals being considered that will if enacted reduce violent crime. For example, creating mandatory minimum jail sentences for repeat criminals. Something that I think will help to target violent individuals while not affecting law-abiding citizens is the concept of an “Extreme Risk Prevention Order,” or ERPO if done properly. This would allow a judge to create a scenario in which an individual who is shown to present an immediate and present danger to himself or others is temporarily denied access to the means of causing that harm. This concept is supported by the National Rifle Association.

In many of the most recent school shootings, the shooter has shown warning signs for months leading up to a shooting. Often in the weeks and months following a tragedy, it comes out that the mother or friend or teacher knew the young man was dangerous, knew he was planning something, and was helpless to stop him. The ERPO provides a mechanism by which those people can get help for their loved ones while ensuring that they do not harm themselves or others.

House Bill 1302 – Public Safety Extreme Risk Prevention Orders creates that scenario. Anyone who petitions the court to issue such an order must reach certain evidentiary standards, and the order lasts for up to one year – it is not a permanent suspension of a person’s rights. I have heard from many people around the state with concerns about this specific bill, and while I wholeheartedly support the intent of the bill, I’ve found that upon closer reading and understanding of the actual content of this bill, I share many of those concerns and have some of my own.

When HB 1302 reached the House floor for the first vote no organization had opposed it. Still I offered several amendments which would have strengthened the punishment for people using this serious mechanism inappropriately, such as a dispute between neighbors or in a vindictive situation, but those proposals were rejected and I was told that those legal protections were already covered in the bill. However, in the days since this bill initially passed the house, I’ve learned that the bill as written does not allow for due process and contains a number of other concerning elements. This bill still needs to make its way through the Senate, and I’m optimistic that the necessary changes will be made during that process. If not, as much as I support the concept, I won’t be able to vote for the bill as it stands for final passage.

The following are changes that have been proposed to improve the bill. If these changes are not made, I intend to vote against the bill on final passage.

• Requiring stronger criminal penalties for those who bring false and frivolous charges.
• Requiring that an order only be granted when a judge makes a CLEAR and CONVINCING DETERMINATION that the person poses a significant risk of danger to himself or others.
• Requiring that in the process of issuing the order, the judge determine if the individual meets the state standard for involuntary commitment. If they meet the standard, they should be involuntarily committed. This addresses the need for these individuals to undergo treatment.
• Requiring that any ex parte proceeding should include admitting the individual for treatment.
• Requiring that there be a mechanism in place for the return of firearms upon termination of the ERPO.
• Requiring that the process allow the individual to challenge or terminate the order, with full due process protections in place.
• Requiring that the process allow firearms to be retained by law-abiding third parties, local law enforcement, or a federally licensed firearms dealer when an individual is ordered to relinquish such firearms as a condition of the ERPO. The individual must also have the ability to sell his or her firearms in a reasonable time without violating the order.

If you have any additional concerns about the bill that you would like to address please do not hesitate to let me know.

Sincerely,
Nic Kipke

He is either full of shit, or woefully ignorant, either way, I am pressing the NRA to no longer provide him with an A+ rating.

 

[dblas]

Voting for 3 gun bills has got to reduce the ratings of the turn coat republicans. I intend to remind my delegates of that fact, between now and election time.

Contact NRA-ILA to voice your displeasure with those Delegates, and demand that they get docked on their grades for those anti-2A votes.

 

[Parttime]

Contact NRA-ILA to voice your displeasure with those Delegates, and demand that they get docked on their grades for those anti-2A votes.

Will do.

 

[buellsfurn]

Deb Rey isn't any better, yet some in the "pro 2a" community defend and make excuses for her too. I'm told the alternative would be worse. I'm saying how can it be any worse if these "pro 2a" "Republicans" are voting like democrats. Hell, they don't even listen to the 2a community or our organizations when they write their own shitty bills.


Rant over....

She had a Town Hall today in Ridge. I was going to go but the more I thought about her selling us out, the angrier I got and so I decided to go to the library and study for my finals.

I was wondering if any PP or pro 2a people went to the 2nd town hall today i also was going to go it would have been my third or forth town hall for showing my support for her but after her turn coat antics Im pissed at myself for being sucked in by her bs over the past year and a half

 

[Rack&Roll]

I have a marked up copy of HB 1302 but I’m on the road for awhile. My mark up copy is downstream of the PDF posted earlier.

No amount of fixes will change the 4th Amendment violations. Full report later.