Interesting Talk to with Moco police officer today about country directives w/ ccw

[spoon059]

What are they doing when they run the gun SN? Do they have access to your info to know that gun is registered to you?

Assuming they are just running it through dispatcher, it is a stolen check only. You'd have to contact the Gun Center to know if a gun is registered to someone. That is a much longer process then a simple stolen check.

 

[teratos]

Just the edited part above is at least 1.5 conversations , each with multiple contexts .

No , refusing direct instructions to exit vehicle has no upsides .

IF , you are packing , and up until that point you had been discreetly not voluntarily disclosed your gun & permit status , it would be wise & prudent to disclose so , Before exiting vehicle . ( Not saying the Statute requires it , just that it is Wise & Prudent . If you've been awaiting further development to decide to disclose , this is it .)

Once outside , feel free to stand on your 4A . Don't consent . but don't physically resist .

Esculate ? The context has now changed . It is given that you are being inconvienced . Talking your way out of a citation is no longer on the table .

Get vehicle searched anyway with your saying No ? Even if somehow arrested for * something * , you will be unlikely to be Convicted .

Agree 100%.

I would also encourage folks to consider getting the encounter on video for yourself.

 

[1time]

Assuming they are just running it through dispatcher, it is a stolen check only. You'd have to contact the Gun Center to know if a gun is registered to someone. That is a much longer process then a simple stolen check.

I think this is agency dependent. My dispatcher could not tell me registration but anyone working the station desk could check registration.

 

[swinokur]

Stolen gun checks are usually run through NCIC, not a MD database

 

[DaemonAssassin]

Stolen gun checks are usually run through NCIC, not a MD database

If you call MSP LD and tell them a gun is stolen, it is listed in the MSP database as stolen, too. Ask me how I know....

 

[Threeband]

How do you know?

 

[rbird7282]

What are they doing when they run the gun SN? Do they have access to your info to know that gun is registered to you?

There is NO requirement to have your carry gun registered to you, or registered at all for that matter


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[swinokur]

If you call MSP LD and tell them a gun is stolen, it is listed in the MSP database as stolen, too. Ask me how I know....

But if you call and report it via anyone else it ends up in NCIC which all MD LE can access through METERS.

The MSP database is not

 

[antco]

“I have nothing illegal” is another reply I’ve seen used, and recommended.


Yes, never offer any form of consent, jokingly, sarcastically, or any other way, to avoid creating an affirmative defense for their actions. At that point, the less said, the better.

Of course, all this sounds good being typed here. My last encounter was being pulled over by PSP for a cooler on a hitch haul obstructing my plate. I was armed. It was dark. I had a buddies 13 yr old along. (who at that moment was on the phone with her aunt, my goddaughter, a deputy sheriff, who was an hour behind us in the highway) I turned on the interior lights, rolled all the windows down, explained to her why I did that, and had my DL, REG, and INS cards in my hands, on the wheel, as the officer approached. I was polite, the stop brief, with a warning.

I answered just enough questions, briefly, to understand the reason for the stop without admitting guilt, to judge the officers attitude, and try and convey that we were not a threat.

I do understand that if ordered out of the vehicle, all passengers must comply due to PA v. Mimms. I was glad it didn’t get that far. At the point of a Terry frisk I would have informed of my weapons. Other than that I see no reason to escalate.

The bold statement above is worth repeating. Police and Troopers ask questions. They dig. That's what they do. Using the bold statement above as a common response as they question the contents on your person or in your vehicle is a wise thing to do as you also decline their requests to search your vehicle.

 

[babalou]

As in ligma Richard?

ligma balls. but yours works well, too. lol

 

[ironpony]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Registration of your vehicle is public information, required to be posted on the outside of the vehicle.
Gun ownership is a right.

If I’m reading this correctly, the data linked to a vehicle’s license plate is accessible to the public?
Not sure I would trust the public with that much data. Lol.

 

[Blaster229]

Is there a "Laptop center"? "Wrist watch center"? "Cell phone center"? Since we are checking for stolen. A firearm is a piece of property just like anything else. My laptop or watch would be more PC to check because they are things that would be in plain view. Just start handing everything with a serial number to them along with your DL and insurance.

Sooooo, when do the "Stolen gun checkpoints" start?

 

[spoon059]

If I’m reading this correctly, the data linked to a vehicle’s license plate is accessible to the public?
Not sure I would trust the public with that much data. Lol.

Yup, you can walk into the MVA and pay the fee to get any vehicle information you want.

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[spoon059]

Sooooo, when do the "Stolen gun checkpoints" start?

Don't give Montgomery County lawmakers any ideas. "IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE!!!".

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[DaemonAssassin]

How do you know?

Because a friend of mine called MSP LD to notify that his pistol was stolen, and I clearly heard the employee state that the pistol was now marked as stolen in their database. He also notified WCSO 2 hours after it was stolen too. All MSP LD does is pull you up in the computer, and clicks a box that says that serial number was reported as stolen. Beyond that I don't know if they broadcast it to the feds or not.

 

[Threeband]

If you report your Hi Point as stolen, and then find it two weeks later under some dirty lingerie in your laundry room, can you have it REMOVED from the stolen guns list?

Asking for a friend.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

In the late ‘80s I had a S&W Model 19 stolen from the trunk of my car at the Timonium gun show. I reported it and made an insurance claim which was paid.

About twelve years later I received a call from Baltimore County Police asking if I wanted my gun back! It turned out the revolver was recovered in a drug raid three weeks after being stolen…but before the serial number was entered into the NCIC stolen gun database…so when recovered there was no hit on it.

Years later BCPD was going to destroy a number of guns in evidence after all appeals ran out. It was their protocol to run serial numbers again before destroying them and that’s when the hit came up.

I got my revolver back…no damage but had been test fired to see if it might have been used in a crime. I did have to go through the 7-day wait and background check again before I could take possession. I was told the gun would be taken out of NCIC but also to keep the paperwork in case I sell it and it missed being removed from the system.

Additionally I contacted the insurance company to find out what to after them paying off on the claim. They let me know I owed them nothing but if the piece was stolen again they wouldn’t pay off a second time.

 

[babalou]

In the late ‘80s I had a S&W Model 19 stolen from the trunk of my car at the Timonium gun show. I reported it and made an insurance claim which was paid.

About twelve years later I received a call from Baltimore County Police asking if I wanted my gun back! It turned out the revolver was recovered in a drug raid three weeks after being stolen…but before the serial number was entered into the NCIC stolen gun database…so when recovered there was no hit on it.

Years later BCPD was going to destroy a number of guns in evidence after all appeals ran out. It was their protocol to run serial numbers again before destroying them and that’s when the hit came up.

I got my revolver back…no damage but had been test fired to see if it might have been used in a crime. I did have to go through the 7-day wait and background check again before I could take possession. I was told the gun would be taken out of NCIC but also to keep the paperwork in case I sell it and it missed being removed from the system.

Additionally I contacted the insurance company to find out what to after them paying off on the claim. They let me know I owed them nothing but if the piece was stolen again they wouldn’t pay off a second time.

wow crazy. Glad you got it back in good shape

 

[Tower43]

Don't give Montgomery County lawmakers any ideas. "IF IT SAVES JUST ONE LIFE!!!".

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An aside, I laughed hard when the DUI checkpoints set up right in front of my station on Conn Ave... to catch the drunks running out of DC up conn ave... originally they blocked access to the firehouse, we had to talk to the supervisor about that lol

 

[PTPGun.com]

Yea, I spoke to my trooper buddy after he watched this and he said he wouldn't have done that. I am guessing it is independent leadership at each barracks that would determine whether this happened. Even though this guy was training, don't use me for your on the job training.

I guess the big question for me is, can you deny the request to "run the gun" ? For me I'm already on side of the road in danger of being hit by an idiot. And now you want to handle guns unnecessarily on the side of the road?

You can deny them consent to search and seize your property, see 4th amendment. Their LT also confirmed this through their legal department