Is the HQL still required to purchase handguns?

[swinokur]

Lots of folks used TX hunter safety to get the cert.

 

[crabjoe]

I teach HQL classes, and because my costs are below average rates, I allow the student to do the application on their own. Recently, I had a student who had a few questions about the process, and it got me thinking about what someone has to go through to obtain an HQL. The training is essential. Otherwise, I wouldn't be doing it; however, the application fee, waiting period for approval, and the process as a whole seems unfair to the Maryland taxpayer.

What was wrong with the old "watch the video" to get the permit to purchase? I didn't learn anything new in my CCW class I didn't see in that old video. The only real difference was having a live instructor which you could ask questions and range time.

What makes the training essential when other states have gone to Constitutional Carry and haven't had issues? Are we up to 27 or 28 States that now have some form of Constitutional/Permitless Carry?

 

[swinokur]

28

 

[cantstop]

What makes the training essential when other states have gone to Constitutional Carry

The fact that the DNC has gun control as a base tenet of their platform and MD is under almost complete control by DNC pawns.

 

[Melnic]

Back before HQL I thought I recall MD had you watch an online video or something before you purchased a handgun. It was free and discussed some basics. I learned nothing new but I believe that disappeared when HQL came?

My son had MD hunting safety course but it was before he was 18 I think and he still had to do HQL safety course. I also thought TX hunt did not count for MD HQL cause it had no live fire?
Whatever , hope it’s all moot now.

I have friends who won’t get HqL but want a modern pistol. They all can shoot just fine and already are safe gun owners.


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[Slhaney]

Back before HQL I thought I recall MD had you watch an online video or something before you purchased a handgun. It was free and discussed some basics. I learned nothing new but I believe that disappeared when HQL came?

My son had MD hunting safety course but it was before he was 18 I think and he still had to do HQL safety course. I also thought TX hunt did not count for MD HQL cause it had no live fire?
Whatever , hope it’s all moot now.

I have friends who won’t get HqL but want a modern pistol. They all can shoot just fine and already are safe gun owners.


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I can understand your friends not wanting to get an HQL as Ive seen many on here who haven't purchased a handgun in years because they refuse to do so either. While I totally disagree with the HQL, I almost feel that refusing to get one is exactly what they hoped for when they implemented it. Anything that keeps otherwise qualified people from buying guns is a win in their book.

 

[crabjoe]

The fact that the DNC has gun control as a base tenet of their platform and MD is under almost complete control by DNC pawns.

I'm going to disagree. IMHO, HQL training was bogus. Did it really do anything more than the video one used to have to watch to get that permit to be able purchase a handgun? I don't think so. It's more BS to deter people from exercising their rights.

If the DNC or anyone wants to push gun control, they're barking up the wrong tree because criminals don't care about laws. So they can go kick rocks! If by gun control, they mean gun safety, then the State should offer free voluntary classes. Maybe sweeten the pot by saying if you take our free class and pass, the 7 day wait on the 77r won't be required.

 

[crabjoe]

Back before HQL I thought I recall MD had you watch an online video or something before you purchased a handgun. It was free and discussed some basics. I learned nothing new but I believe that disappeared when HQL came?

My son had MD hunting safety course but it was before he was 18 I think and he still had to do HQL safety course. I also thought TX hunt did not count for MD HQL cause it had no live fire?
Whatever , hope it’s all moot now.

I have friends who won’t get HqL but want a modern pistol. They all can shoot just fine and already are safe gun owners.


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I still have the paper permit from watching that video. It's actually pretty good and what they went over wasn't much different from my CCW class.

 

[jmiller320]

I took the original training at the police station. They put on a video that basically told you: Never point a gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot. Always assume that the gun is loaded. Always check and double check to make sure it isn't loaded. Then it repeated those messages for a half hour. I was one of the Maryland residents who was infringed by the new law and refused to accept the infringement. 13 years after the infringement went into effect after doing some research I learned that I was exempt from the training and applied for an HQL. It cost me the fingerprint fee for my fingerprints that are all ready on file with a number of unknown three letter agencies. They claim that they don't keep them and they are only good for 2 or 3 months. Add to that the HQL Fee and I'm out $100.00 plus my time. No to mention the money I would have spent supporting the local firearms dealers.

 

[Cool_Moo5e]

Any and all training is great. State mandated training is complete ********

Agreed

 

[JohnnyE]

It has been said by MDS posters on this site hundreds of times, and now by the judge in his decision in this matter, as follows:

"Further, federal and State firearms laws are quite complex, and their full range and interplay are well beyond the scope of this decision."

Taken from near the bottom of page two of the opinion.

"...quite complex...." Does that comport with "...shall not be infringed."?

The entire gun control schema is designed to discourage and even thwart Americans from possessing arms. It's not about reducing crime, although that's how they sell it because consumers of that sales pitch are too stupid to understand that is neither the motive behind the effort, nor that it will not (has not) work.

 

[kshaw]

After reading over the HQL decision, I believe that that decision could be used to do away with the 7-day waiting period before picking up your firearm.

 

[Cool_Moo5e]

After reading over the HQL decision, I believe that that decision could be used to do away with the 7-day waiting period before picking up your firearm.

lets hope it does away with that wait time as well.

 

[mac1_131]

I still have the paper permit from watching that video. It's actually pretty good and what they went over wasn't much different from my CCW class.

Me too. And back in the day, Florida accepted that impressive looking card as handgun training to get your carry permit.

 

[70Sevens]

lets hope it does away with that wait time as well.

I asked this in another thread but would the finger print requirement go away too? To me that is the most insulting part of the HQL crap...to be treated like a criminal for trying to exercise your 2A rights.

 

[dblas]

Back before HQL I thought I recall MD had you watch an online video or something before you purchased a handgun. It was free and discussed some basics. I learned nothing new but I believe that disappeared when HQL came?

It did, but it will probably come back.

My son had MD hunting safety course but it was before he was 18 I think and he still had to do HQL safety course.

He shouldn't have to take any additional training since the Hunter Safety suficed.

I also thought TX hunt did not count for MD HQL cause it had no live fire?

Under State Statute, any hunter safety training was acceptable, wether or not it has a live fire component or not.

Whatever , hope it’s all moot now.

I have friends who won’t get HqL but want a modern pistol. They all can shoot just fine and already are safe gun owners.


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Then the law worked exactly as they designed it.

 

[dblas]

I asked this in another thread but would the finger print requirement go away too? To me that is the most insulting part of the HQL crap...to be treated like a criminal for trying to exercise your 2A rights.

HQL training - gone
Finger print requirement - Gone
HQL application - Gone

It's ALL gone, it really is that simple.

 

[Cool_Moo5e]

I asked this in another thread but would the finger print requirement go away too? To me that is the most insulting part of the HQL crap...to be treated like a criminal for trying to exercise your 2A rights.

I forgot about that part but let's hope handguns are cash and carry with out any other BS involved

 

[pcfixer]

I forgot about that part but let's hope handguns are cash and carry with out any other BS involved

Any person who wishes to purchase, rent, or transfer a regulated firearm must complete a MSP 77R Application and Affidavit to purchase a regulated firearm.

 

[dblas]

I forgot about that part but let's hope handguns are cash and carry with out any other BS involved

77R and 7 day wait would still be required. (Next lawsuit)