Know Your Neighbors: Who Has A Gun Permit?

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  • Deacon51

    Active Member
    Feb 28, 2007
    954
    Baltimore City
    http://blog.washingtonpost.com/rawfisher/2007/03/know_your_neighbors_who_has_a.html

    Roanoke Times editorial writer Christian Trejbal last week decided to celebrate Sunshine Week in Virginia by providing readers of his newspaper with the complete list of all their neighbors who hold permits to carry concealed weapons. Now there's a real public service; if your neighbor is prepared to shoot someone who attempts, say, to mug him, you'd certainly want to know about it.

    Well, the ensuing howling was almost as big a riot as if Trejbal had tried to confiscate those guns himself. Readers went ballistic, so to speak. Folks threatened to cancel their subscriptions, demanded that the editorial writer be sacked, jumped up and down until the paper caved in entirely and stripped the database from its web site. (The paper fell back on the lame excuse that some of the names in its database should not have been there because those folks got their permits to carry as a result of having been victims of violent crimes; the reasoning is that such people have an extra special right and cause to carry concealed weapons and their names ought not be made public.)

    Even that was not craven enough a response for the offended masses. Now there's a move to change Virginia law so that the public records showing who holds a permit to carry become un-public. So much for Sunshine Week.

    Trejbal made no effort in his original piece to criticize the carrying concealed weapons law or permitting process. He simply did what any citizen can and should do--take existing public records and make them easily accessible. Just as newspapers like the Post have taken real estate records and put them on our web site so that readers don't have to troop down to the courthouse to check on the assessed value of the houses on their block, the Roanoke paper took an existing public database and made it readily available to the public. Nothing Trejbal did in any way changed the public nature of the list of gun permit holders; he simply removed an obstacle to easy checking of the list.

    Trejbal knew from the start that some folks would not like their neighbors to know what they are carrying around with them. Maybe deep down, those people with carrying permits know that having that permit renders them dangerous and odd to many of their fellow citizens. Trejbal wrote at the very top of his first piece on the subject:


    I can hear the shocked indignation of gun-toters already: It's nobody's business but mine if I want to pack heat.
    Au contraire. Because the government handles the permitting, it is everyone's business.

    The reaction was swift and wild. The very first commenter on the Times' site posted Trejbal's home address. So there! Trejbal calmly debated his readers, arguing that he was not making any comment on the gun law, just on the public information law and the need for citizens to lay claim to those sunshine rights.

    The editorial writer did look into the impact that concealed carry laws have on crime rates. Checking FBI records, he found that overall violent crime rates are slightly lower in concealed carry states, but in some especially awful crime categories, rates are much higher in concealed carry states--for example, rape, aggravated assault, property crimes, burglarly and theft. But Trejbal didn't include any of that in his original piece because he was not aiming to criticize Virginia's gun law; rather, he only sought to celebrate the public information law.

    Trejbal discovered that about 2 percent of Virginians hold concealed weapon permits. By listing all of those who lived in his paper's area, he allowed readers to make their own choices--some might feel safer knowing that the guy next door carries, while others might decide to ban their children from playing in a house where the parents are packing. Information is not the enemy--information is a tool. You can use it to argue your case, defend your rights, push for change or merely check up on the neighbor. (I'm waiting for publication of a database of who owns dogs that bark every morning at dawn--that way I won't ever again make the same mistake I made a few years ago, when I moved out of one house thrilled to get away from a nuisance dog, only to land at another location where a dog sometimes serves as our early morning alarm.)

    It's terrific to see a newspaper serving its community by making public databases more open and available. I was disheartened to see the Roanoke paper back off so quickly. As the Internet has taught a new generation of readers, information wants to be free. That doesn't necessarily mean free of charge (Trejbal had to pay a fee to get the gun permit database and the Roanoke paper has to pay Trejbal's salary and the cost of putting the database on its web site), but it does mean freely and broadly available to all.
     

    Norton

    NRA Endowment Member, Rifleman
    Staff member
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    May 22, 2005
    122,906
    ********....the guy published that information as a publicity stunt knowing what kind of fallout there would be.

    Trejbal has made a career out of belittling his Roanoke neighbors with his condescending bully pulpit.

    He put some people in mortal danger by publishing that information. There are people who don't want to be found by abusive past relationships, stalkers, etc. Furthermore, he provided an itemized shopping list for anyone wanting to steal guns.

    Just because the information is available to the public does not mean that a newspaper should publish it.
     

    BusDriver

    Livin the hillbilly dream
    Feb 28, 2007
    980
    The Hill Country
    Not according to them .:mad: Those folks will do whatever to boost their bottom line . Go figure this . How many people will by the paper to read the controversy of any story ? Plus how many will buy the paper to see who's on the list ? :sad20: Also it's a media to voice their liberial :rant2::puke:No wonder the lib reporters are a bunch of parnoid :crazy: :drunk:

    :tongue01: Them
     

    spitzer

    Member
    Mar 11, 2007
    34
    St.Mary's County, MD
    Fair Play

    The writer and editor that published the list of CCW in Virginia is Christian Trejbal of the Roanoke Times. In the interest of fair play and so that anyone who wishes can exercise their First Amendment rights by expressing their displeasure with his actions, here are his addresses:

    Christian J Trejbal
    675 School Lane
    Christianburg, VA 24073

    His email is christian.trejbal@roanoke.com

    I have read that he abandoned his home earlier this week because of some fool who made a bomb threat, so he may not answer the door if you pay him a visit. However, if someone answers the door and says he is not home, but looks like the guy in the attached picture, it is him.

    You can run, but you cannot hide for long in a free society.
     

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    jpk1md

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 13, 2007
    11,313
    The writer and editor that published the list of CCW in Virginia is Christian Trejbal of the Roanoke Times. In the interest of fair play and so that anyone who wishes can exercise their First Amendment rights by expressing their displeasure with his actions, here are his addresses:

    Christian J Trejbal
    675 School Lane
    Christianburg, VA 24073

    His email is christian.trejbal@roanoke.com

    I have read that he abandoned his home earlier this week because of some fool who made a bomb threat, so he may not answer the door if you pay him a visit. However, if someone answers the door and says he is not home, but looks like the guy in the attached picture, it is him.

    You can run, but you cannot hide for long in a free society.

    Sad that he exercised a complete lack of common sense by publishing it in a newspaper....he's received so much negative attention that he and his family will probably be looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives if they remain in VA.

    I suspect that should one of the offended parties that were listed be injured physically/financially that he will be sued in very short order and he and the newspaper will be reduced to a broken heap of financial ruin.
     

    BenReal

    Member
    Jan 30, 2009
    14
    I hope they all have ccw permits.

    ALL OF THEM.

    Makes the neighborhood WAY SAFER.

    Publishing their names in a paper is just a way to dump on decent people though.

    But that's what alot of media types get off on these days.

    Power trip regardless of the damage.
     
    Oct 27, 2008
    8,444
    Dundalk, Hon!
    I just sent this e-mail off to him:

    Your publishing that list was manifestly a cheap publicity stunt. Perhaps, if the home of someone on the list is targeted for robbery and they lose valuables, especially firearms, they'll have you dragged into court regardless of the chance of winning, simply to make your life a bit more miserable and send a message to other so-called journalists who might think of engaging in similar examples of poor judgment.

    G. N. LaFrance,
    The Soviet Socialist Democratic People's Republic of Maryland

    Add: I just realized I made two spelling mistakes in the e-mail I sent him, which have been corrected in the above. Just goes to show how angry I was, that I didn't hit the spelling checker before sending it.
     

    beaglefan

    Active Member
    Nov 29, 2008
    735
    Essex md.
    This is not the first time this has happen in Virginia.I believe it was the same paper that printed the names before.I read about this about a year ago on arfcom.
     

    BenReal

    Member
    Jan 30, 2009
    14
    Sorry folks.

    I didn'nt search this-it was on the front page of the forum I looked on.

    I will also look at the thread dates from now on.

    Again,sorry about that.
     

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