LA Swears in DACA Illegals as LEOs

[Bob A]

Sadly, they are not allowed to carry firearms when off duty. On the job, it's OK.

Some people are concerned; most presumed oblivious.

Not satire: LAPD swears in police officers who are DACA recipients and entered US illegally

California changed the law to allow illegal aliens who were DACA recipients to become police officers; since federal law ...

lawenforcementtoday.com

 

[Boondock Saint]

I recognize that this might belong in the unpopular opinion thread, but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child.

 

[Bob A]

I recognize that this might belong in the unpopular opinion thread, but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child.

How do you feel about non-citizens becoming sworn officers?

Of course, it may become increasingly necessary, as the job becomes increasingly more dangerous, increasingly less supported by the political infrastructure, and increasingly defunded.

(Apologies for increasingly decreasing felicity of phrasing).

 

[fredthe]

I recognize that this might belong in the unpopular opinion thread, but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child.

I agree with the sentiment. Note the article says "came here illegally" rather than "brought here illegally," so it's already presenting bias.

 

[LuckyShot]

let them do a full 4 years in the military to get their citizenship.

Talk about needing bodies...

Wouldn't expect anything less from LA

 

[Melnic]

What are the legalities of a non documented individual and being a prohibited person?

 

[Melnic]

let them do a full 4 years in the military to get their citizenship.

Talk about needing bodies...

Wouldn't expect anything less from LA

I think if you are a legal resident, they already do that do they not?
But you have to be a legal resident. Of course, there are legal ways to do that, even for a Municipality to make that happen for an undocumented person, but I think I recall (was in my wife's case) you have to apply for the legal resident status in your home country at the embassy.

 

[Combloc]

I'm sickened by what the article reports and I'm equally sickened by some of the posts in this thread. Talk about walking into the abyss with your eyes wide open......

 

[Jim12]

let them do a full 4 years in the military to get their citizenship.

Talk about needing bodies...

Wouldn't expect anything less from LA

"Citizenship"?

What is "citizenship," who needs it, and why?

Haven't we gotten to the point where non-citizens have equal, if arguably not more rights and privileges than citizens?

And to add fuel to the fire, those illegal non-"citizens" whose first act on our homeland was to break the law by illegal entry, are granted extraordinary rights and privileges.

Hmm.. Yes, the Fundamental Transformation of America.

Fundamentally, it means abrogation of the Rule of Law, which once distinguished America and which caused the world to look to the U.S. for leadership in commerce, politics, and human relations. And, which the Left is determined to undermine, with astonishing success.

Not so long ago the U.S. was the shining beacon on the hill, a thousand points of light ---- until some of those whose good graces benefited from it saw their opportunity to snatch the golden ring and turn society against the "Oppressors."

 

[Boondock Saint]

How do you feel about non-citizens becoming sworn officers?

Of course, it may become increasingly necessary, as the job becomes increasingly more dangerous, increasingly less supported by the political infrastructure, and increasingly defunded.

(Apologies for increasingly decreasing felicity of phrasing).

Well, first let me clarify that there's a difference between a non-citizen who is functionally a lifelong American, someone who shares our values, and someone who is legally a citizen but is actually a rabid communist. I don't mean to suggest those are the only two options, rather highlighting that merely being a citizen does not a good LEO make, much as hardly any non-citizens are saints (Mick Jagger weeps).

With that stated, non-citizens as sworn officers is not a new concept and likely will become more prevalent, if your other recent thread on that former LEO charged with 32(?) felonies is any barometer.

There's a difference between a child brought here at a very young age who is actually an American by culture, yet is here illegally, and someone who is American in name only, if even that. I'll take the former every time over the latter.

 

[fredthe]

let them do a full 4 years in the military to get their citizenship.

I'd think that being a LEO would be an equivalent way to "serve."

 

[Combloc]

If you're here illegally, you need to go, plain and simple. If we catch them back here again illegally, they need to be made and example of, terminally. That WILL have a dramatic effect on illegals in this country in short order.

 

[AlBeight]

How is the public supposed to trust people that KNOWINGLY broke the law to be here in the first place? Who KNOWINGLY don’t pay taxes? Who KNOWINGLY are not identifiable to any authorities? How are these lawbreakers supposed to be trusted with their newly elevated social status where they’re essentially above the law, for lack of a better term? When they are in a drug house with hundreds of pounds of illegal drugs and 10’s of thousands of dollars of dealers’ money lying on the table with no witnesses around? What’s one more felony?

How does LA know they’re not putting cartel sicarios and drug mules in positions of authority above the common citizenry?

I give this little social experiment a month before it blows up bigly, on an embarrassingly world-wide level.

 

[Boondock Saint]

How is the public supposed to trust people that KNOWINGLY broke the law to be here in the first place? Who KNOWINGLY don’t pay taxes? Who KNOWINGLY are not identifiable to any authorities? How are these lawbreakers supposed to be trusted with their newly elevated social status where they’re essentially above the law, for lack of a better term? When they are in a drug house with hundreds of pounds of illegal drugs and 10’s of thousands of dollars of dealers’ money lying on the table with no witnesses around? What’s one more felony?

How does LA know they’re not putting cartel sicarios and drug mules in positions of authority above the common citizenry?

I give this little social experiment a month before it blows up bigly, on an embarrassingly world-wide level.

This has been going on for a while, so that month/bigly/worldwide wager is already tit(t)s up.

DACA folks have real jobs, pay taxes, contribute, etc. There very much is a difference between reality and what you are assuming to be the case, judging by the timbre of your post.

A child brought here at a young age who grows up knowing nothing but America, speaks only English, has never met extended family, and is culturally indistinguishable from you or me simply is not the problem.

 

[fredthe]

How is the public supposed to trust people that KNOWINGLY broke the law to be here in the first place? Who KNOWINGLY don’t pay taxes? Who KNOWINGLY are not identifiable to any authorities?

I wouldn't trust anyone who KNOWINGLY doesn't understand DACA.

 

[King Chicken]

I recognize that this might belong in the unpopular opinion thread, but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child.

My entire Latino family minus 1 sister would have concerns.

Latinos as a group might not necessarily want any DACA being allowed...vetting is hard.
What if they were 17 from a gang and joined the affiliate gang here. Not that we can vet with the Mexican and Latin officials.

How about they have a public forum over some months and let the public decide. They are the ones who will have to live with the consequences...

 

[Boondock Saint]

My entire Latino family minus 1 sister would have concerns.

Latinos as a group might not necessarily want any DACA being allowed...vetting is hard.
What if they were 17 from a gang and joined the affiliate gang here. Not that we can vet with the Mexican and Latin officials.

How about they have a public forum over some months and let the public decide. They are the ones who will have to live with the consequences...

And it is surely to the credit of those who have followed the rules who want others to follow them as well. But your example was a bit off from mine.

"but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child." does not equate to 17 year old gang member. Apples and bowling balls there.

 

[King Chicken]

"but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child." does not equate to 17 year old gang member. Apples and bowling balls there.

Let the public decide on how to choose which ones are the apples I would say.
Most Latinos can be trusted cuz they don't want to make here what they ran from...but we have lots of problems w gangs in LA already. Tough.

There's been gang ties in LA police since whenever anyways as well.

 

[press1280]

I recognize that this might belong in the unpopular opinion thread, but I'm likely to have very little problem with those whose only crime was being brought here illegally as a child.

I wouldn't either except for the fact it's makes an additional incentive for those to sneak across our border or falsely make asylum claims and remain in the country. If the border were locked down cold and the cycle doesn't repeat itself over and over most people could probably live with this.
We already got screwed with the 86' Amnesty so why should we believe it'll be any different this time?
OTOH, I don't know how this can work as since they're technically illegal, how can they carry period (on or off duty)? And why would you want to be a cop and be disarmed while off duty, when you could (and in LA probably WOULD) run into some perp let back into society?

 

[RRomig]

I know too many people trying to become citizens legally to not have a problem with this. A country going broke rewarding illegals is insane and that doesn’t change no matter what age they entered the country.
This is also not a commentary on what type of officers they would make. I’m sure some would be fine and others would be horrible just like any other group of people.