Really? So you actually think they have no idea about military reserves and just active duty and national guard? Out of the whole stinking GA that laid eyes on this it got past everyone? Comon.
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Really? So you actually think they have no idea about military reserves and just active duty and national guard? Out of the whole stinking GA that laid eyes on this it got past everyone? Comon.
It seems that the law is using the broad, general definition of "active" (as in, currently associated with) rather than the narrow, specific definition that distinguishes between duty status (active duty or reservist) which many posters are applying.
Poor choice of wording in the bill. But they like making it vague.
Poor choice of wording in the bill. But they like making it vague.
What? No more pink ID cards?
Streetgang
OP4
DBlas got it right.
Blaster nowhere does it say anything about active. It says MEMBER OR RETIRED MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES which means as a reservist they are still a member of the armed forces.
- Feb 4, 2013
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Also, when I was in the MDANG, I also held a commission in the USAFR.
If called up, it could be a state call up (disaster) or Federal (Iraq or Afghanistan for instance).
If called up, it could be a state call up (disaster) or Federal (Iraq or Afghanistan for instance).
Mark K
Active Member
Only of you're "grey area" reserve retired, like I am for a few more months. That is, in reserve retired status with at least 20 good retirement years, but less than 60 years of age. No benefits except PX/commissary.
At age 60, you become just plain retired -- eligible for retired pay and Tricare, and get a "normal" CAC card.
I suspect because the law has to be specific or else the lawyers can twist it around-- having a 'military ID card' in legal terms just means I can give you mine-then you have a military ID card. Same thing with 'valid military ID'. Mine's valid (legitimate and not expired) so when you use it, you have a valid military ID.
The law as written specifically identifies individuals- A MEMBER OR RETIRED MEMBER OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES OR, OR THE NATIONAL GUARD;
the ID card, with it's photo and other info on it, proves that membership.
BTW, you don't get a CAC card when you retire, just a military ID card (at least from the AF)
I know for a fact they have no clue, it was like pulling teeth to get them to include any exemptions for military at all let alone reserve/national guard. Trying to explain the difference between reserve, ready reserve and national guard would have taken too long and they just didn't care.
Yes, Blaster, I really do think that. I have listened to their discussions and debate and are convinced they do not have a clue, and even if a few do understand, the others don't listen to them. Everything they (the majority do) is for perception and appearances. They want the perception of supporting the military, but don't really give a damn. Just as they want the perception of being tough on crime, but we have seen the lack of substance there.
ibang1
Ultimate Member
Because there are Civilians and Contractors who are issued Military ID. It looks like any other Military ID. I'm pretty sure someone could get away showing their CAC to an FFL and doing a purchase.
Who is to stop someone on a drill weekend and buys a gun on the way home in uniform. I sure can't tell the difference if your Active, Reserve or National Guard.
Besides they do have Active Duty Reserve and Guard.
VAFarmboy
Member
At one time I carried two CAC cards one Military and the other was a Contractor. The only difference was the wording on the CAC cards. On the contractor CAC there was a green strip and the words DoD Contractor, but they carried the same info in the Chip...go figure.
Tomcat
Formerly Known As HITWTOM
Not bashing anyone but you could say the same about many FFL's. I had one who wouldn't use my retired ID and told me that only exempted me from the training. Went to another, no problem at all.
As others have stated the law says a Member or Retired. It does not say Active Member. Unless something has changed over the years, when you enlist in the Military it is generally for 6 years, 4 active and 2 inactive. When you are inactive you don't have an ID card and get no benefits. Active or Ready reserves (1 weekend a month and 2 weeks during the year) have an ID card and limited privilages (commissary and PX)
ddeanjohnson
autodidact
- Aug 21, 2010
- 801
Actually, the qualifier "active" does appear in a key subsection. At the beginning of the Handgun Qualification License section [Sec. 5-117.1 of the Public Safety Article], it says that the entire section "goes not apply to . . . a member or retired member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard . . ." That's in subsection A. But a little further on, in subsection C, it says, "A person may purchase, rent, or receive a handgun only if the person: . . . is an active or retired member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard and possesses a valid military identification card . . ." While these two subsections are not in perfect harmony, dealers (or other sellers) can be expected to look to subsection (C) for the more precise guidance on what type of credentials must be presented at the point of purchase or rental.
Mark K
Active Member
Doh, you're right. When you're retired with full benefits (whether after 20+ active-duty years, or after 20+ good reserve years at age 60), you get a DD Form 2 (grey, I believe).
If you're still a grey-area reserve retiree like I am, you have a pink DD Form 2.
Well, Senator Peters is an army combat veteran who still insists an AR-15 is an assault weapon.
Just saying.
- Feb 4, 2013
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CAC card is not a Military ID card.
Objee
Active Member
- Oct 3, 2013
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That's correct, there is a Uniformed Services ID Card and it is different from the Common Access Card, but most people use the CAC for ID.
My son is an active duty officer and I'm not even sure he has the "other ID" card. (He may, but I've never seen it).
http://www.cac.mil/uniformed-services-id-card/
sheat36
Active Member
I'm not sure where this started but, I am an active duty Warrant Officer and I have ONE ID card and that is a CAC card. When I retire next spring, they will take my CAC and issue me a non-CAC retired ID card.
sheat36
Active Member
To go a bit further, CAC is issued to military members and have certain record information uploaded to the imbedded chip. They are expensive and have to be updated every so often (last time mine was updated it took 45 minutes). Once you retire, you get the non-chip embedded Uniform Services ID, because they don't care about having to access anything about you, and they are cheaper. If you would like to see my CAC, you'll have to ask my wife for the permissions.
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