Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[erwos]

What happened to the separation of church and state?

What happened to freedom of speech?

The standard (tax-wise, anyways) is that the religious organization can't promote/endorse a candidate. There's nothing stopping someone from going in there and saying what they want, including "vote for me", and rightfully so. There's nothing even stopping the church leader from saying "vote anti-abortion" so long as they don't name someone in particular.

 

[swinokur]

Guess we’ll have to wait and see if anyone else is allowed to speak.

If not that might seem like an endorsement to some


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[djcerna]

Thanks for the link. Donated to MSI.

 

[safegunners]

What happened to the separation of church and state?

Raskin is apparently ignorant of 1st 2 amendments to the Constitution.

The more accurate observation is he doesn’t care

Its more so that he doesnt care .... along with all the other politicians who blatantly violate the constitution

 

[zx10guy]

I felt the pastor was telling us he was not politically motivated but was allowing at the same time a left sided politician to address the members from the pulpit. I probably would have been more accepting of having both political spectrums to address the members.

Maybe republicans were not asking to address the black churches or they were told they were not welcome at the time but the democrats sure did and the doors were open to them.

Ok. The additional explanation makes sense. I would have walked out too with the pastor allowing that whimpering weasel to have a captive audience.

 

[dblas]

Its more so that he doesnt care .... along with all the other politicians who blatantly violate the constitution

Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.

 

[River02]

Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.

Thank you---

 

[Occam]

Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution.

Other than, in a pretty important way, right there in the Bill of Rights. Government is prohibited from promoting a given religion as an official, or favored one. The founders - just like they didn’t like The Crown’s take on firearm ownership - didn’t like The Crown’s take on religion tied to government.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Other than, in a pretty important way, right there in the Bill of Rights. Government is prohibited from promoting a given religion as an official, or favored one. The founders - just like they didn’t like The Crown’s take on firearm ownership - didn’t like The Crown’s take on religion tied to government.

Church of England anyone?

 

[dblas]

Other than, in a pretty important way, right there in the Bill of Rights. Government is prohibited from promoting a given religion as an official, or favored one. The founders - just like they didn’t like The Crown’s take on firearm ownership - didn’t like The Crown’s take on religion tied to government.

Thanks for the reminder.
Still a far cry from a candidate/incumbent going into a church and asking for your vote.

 

[RFBfromDE]

If I didn't work I'd like to have a sit in singing "we will not comply" to the tune of "we shall overcome"

2nd verse;

”Gun control is racist”

 

[swinokur]

I don’t see how this complies with 4-209 even without Bruen

 

[pcfixer]

Model Right to Keep and Bear Arms Resolution for Counties

This Resolution was written for Virginia Counties and quotes from Virginia’s State Constitution. I changed the title to be consistent with the Principle that the Right has a transcendent origin whi…

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WHEREAS, our Declaration of Independence is the Fundamental Act of our Founding and part of the Organic Law of our Land and recognizes that our Rights come from the Creator God; and that among these Rights is the Right of self-defense; and

WHEREAS, our Declaration of Independence recognizes that the purpose of government is to secure the Rights God gave us; and

WHEREAS, the Constitution of the United States is one of enumerated powers only; and WE THE PEOPLE did not grant to the federal government any power whatsoever over the Country at Large to restrict our arms; and

1. The use of the term, “for the Country at Large”, with respect to federal edicts; and “to the State at Large”, with respect to State edicts, is not accidental.
While our US Constitution delegates only “enumerated powers” to Congress over the Country at Large; it delegates “general legislative powers” to Congress over the federal enclaves listed at Article I, §8, cl. 17. The exercise by Congress of its legislative powers over the federal enclaves is restricted by the “Bill of Rights”, including the Second Amendment. So while Congress is prohibited from making for these federal enclaves, any laws which infringe the Right of The People “to keep and bear Arms”; Congress may properly require individuals visiting inmates in federal prisons, the psych ward of military hospitals, the mint, federal courthouses, and other such federal enclaves, to leave their arms in their vehicles.
In stark contrast with the federal Constitution, State Constitutions typically [and foolishly] grant “general legislative powers” over the State at Large to the State legislature. The exercise of these general legislative powers is restricted only by the Declaration of Rights in the State Constitution [as well as by contradictory provisions in the US Constitution].
So while State Legislatures are prohibited from infringing the Rights of Citizens to keep and bear arms throughout the State at Large; State Legislatures may properly require individuals visiting inmates in State or County prisons or jails, County or State courthouses, and such like, to leave their arms in their vehicles.
2. And remember! That any provision in any State Constitution which purports to disarm the Citizens of the State would be unconstitutional as in violation of the Second Amendment, and as in violation of Article I, §8, clauses 15 & 16, US Constit., which provide for the organizing, arming and training of the Militia. Since Congress has the power to require Citizens to be armed and trained [and Congress exercised that power when it passed the Militia Act of 1792 link], any provision in any State Constitution [or State statute] which interferes with such power is unconstitutional within the meaning of the Supremacy Clause (Art. VI, cl. 2, US Constit.).
3. And here are Michael Boldin’s (Tenth Amendment Center) kind words on this Resolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsLWuAIXAPA Thank you, Michael!
revised Jan. 29-30, 2020

 

[LuckyShot]

*Stretches* AHHHH.. another day where im not considered a criminal yet and go about my day with my gun

 

[Sunrise]

Some more coverage here: https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/1...oup-takes-aim-at-countys-wear-and-carry-bill/

Just read Elrich’s comments. What a sanctimonious @$$:

He’s going to sign it despite the lawsuit, and it’s clear he believes using taxpayer money to fight the challenge in court is worth it.

He says “we haven’t extended it over the whole county”. You would if you could.

 

[Tower43]

I for one might wanna go OC around downtown Bethesda before this bill is enacted just to prove a point… and make libs uncomfortable by the mere presence of one

 

[teratos]

I for one might wanna go OC around downtown Bethesda before this bill is enacted just to prove a point… and make libs uncomfortable by the mere presence of one

That could be fun.

 

[JKrew]

Thankfully I live in Frederick County now after moving up from Montgomery, but I still frequently travel there for church and to visit family and friends. I just upgraded to an MSI Executive member and donated a little extra to the litigation fund because of this and the likely upcoming MD state attempts to infringe on our rights.

 

[swinokur]

And not one example of a permit holder committing a crime

Sanctimonious elitists

“You see that. It says Maryland Shall Issue”





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[RFBfromDE]

That could be fun.

Third verse;

“We shall not be victims”