MSP Got one... Instructor caught cutting corners, permits invalidated.

[teratos]

He is an IP here.

Ain’t that a shame.

 

[Squaregrouper]

He is an IP here.

Former IP here.

 

[clandestine]

Former IP here.

Edited my post. Thanks for the correction

 

[Applehd]

I feel better now...

 

[dwnthehatch]

I'm 207

 

[TRON 2.0]

Is there a list of who is being investigated by the MSP for cutting corners on training?

I have seen rumors around about companies, but I haven't seen actual sources or evidence presented showing that companies are being investigated.

 

[Garet Jax]

Mine is 92 lol

TD

I'm 207

Nice! I thought I got in quickly - apparently not!

 

[ICW2019]

Is there a list of who is being investigated by the MSP for cutting corners on training?

I have seen rumors around about companies, but I haven't seen actual sources or evidence presented showing that companies are being investigated.

Not seen any list but R/mdguns says somewhere between 35-40 instructors currently have or will be contacted. MM from Fruitland has already been contacted but evidently his course material was sound enough and just skirted some of the time. They currently won't be making the applicants redo another certification.

I purposely only added initials as you can go search MSP website yourself for the instructor. Trying not to completely dox someone.

 

[swinokur]

They doxed themselves by cheating


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[ICW2019]

They doxed themselves by cheating


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Also true!

 

[TRON 2.0]

Not seen any list but R/mdguns says somewhere between 35-40 instructors currently have or will be contacted. MM from Fruitland has already been contacted but evidently his course material was sound enough and just skirted some of the time. They currently won't be making the applicants redo another certification.

I purposely only added initials as you can go search MSP website yourself for the instructor. Trying not to completely dox someone.

If they have contacted instructors, are those instructors required to notify their students?

I am under the impression that those who attended the class at the location that had their license revoked, were required to retake the classes to obtain another certification before their applications could be processed. one of the 2A lawyers i contacted after hearing the rumor about my training said that MSP could revoke a permit if an instructor's training was found to be an issue.

 

[ICW2019]

If they have contacted instructors, are those instructors required to notify their students?

I am under the impression that those who attended the class at the location that had their license revoked, were required to retake the classes to obtain another certification before their applications could be processed. one of the 2A lawyers i contacted after hearing the rumor about my training said that MSP could revoke a permit if an instructor's training was found to be an issue.

i Believe it's purely discretionary at this point. I know two people that went through his class that got their permits this last weeks and the instructor was contacted back late July or early August. They asked if he covered required materials and did actual live fire quals. The instructors that MSP is cancelling applicants for is large formats of a required content that was omitted or crazy amounts of hours being cut.

 

[Mark75H]

I am astounded that there are instructors that do not know the required subjects to be covered, but I guess there are some people who thought that they could just teach whatever they felt like teaching with no knowledge of the fact that there are required subjects. As part of the beginning presentation of the class, so the students know what the expectations of the class are, I mention that there are four areas that are required by the state and that is why they will receive instruction in each of the different subjects.

 

[Ap5fan]

Not seen any list but R/mdguns says somewhere between 35-40 instructors currently have or will be contacted. MM from Fruitland has already been contacted but evidently his course material was sound enough and just skirted some of the time. They currently won't be making the applicants redo another certification.

I purposely only added initials as you can go search MSP website yourself for the instructor. Trying not to completely dox someone.

wonder how they know how many are being looked into.

 

[Garet Jax]

I am astounded that there are instructors that do not know the required subjects to be covered, but I guess there are some people who thought that they could just teach whatever they felt like teaching with no knowledge of the fact that there are required subjects. As part of the beginning presentation of the class, so the students know what the expectations of the class are, I mention that there are four areas that are required by the state and that is why they will receive instruction in each of the different subjects.

What are the four areas required by the state?

 

[Mark75H]

What are the four areas required by the state?

Maryland firearms law
Mechanisms and actions
Home firearm safety
Proficiency (the shooting qualification)

 

[Mark75H]

I bet a lot of instructors are leaving out either mechanisms and actions or home firearm safety or both.

If your class did not cover these it was defective.

 

[ICW2019]

wonder how they know how many are being looked into.

All it takes is to know someone that works for MSP and has heard information trickle down.

 

[FrankZ]

I bet a lot of instructors are leaving out either mechanisms and actions or home firearm safety or both.

If your class did not cover these it was defective.

There's plenty of time to get to that, I should hope they don't leave this out.

 

[Garet Jax]

Maryland firearms law
Mechanisms and actions
Home firearm safety
Proficiency (the shooting qualification)

Thanks. Want to make sure I cover these better on my own so I can understand them better and go over them with my wife and kids.

For firearms law in MD, see https://www.2amaryland.org/legislative/2022/MARYLAND_GUN_LAWS_2022.pdf

Thanks @Jaybeez