My new Mosin Nagant 91/30

[babalou]

exactly

Here is some advice, or maybe a warning, they are like chips. I bet you can't just have one. Nice first C&R rifle.

Or they are like Tribbles....they tend to multiply

 

[Rick3bears]

Is good lookink rifle. Do not worry about wanting more. I have 6 and is nothink wrong with me. Enjoy rifle Comrade! Ummm I mean friend! And buy lots of ammo.

 

[dreadpirate]

HEY HEY THIS IS NOT HELPFUL. That said...HMMMMM.

He's right - you know you want one. And you can do a side-by-side comparison of what a US infantryman used versus his Soviet counterpart.

 

[Threeband]

Then you get a Lee Enfield and a Kar 98k...

 

[HordesOfKailas]

My dad has wanted a Lee Enfield for years. Maybe I can get him to share the burden haha.

EDIT: Boy do I want a 98k. Damn you. My wallet can't handle this sort of abuse.

 

[psoyring]

Shoot it with a bayonet attached, that is how they were sighted in.

 

[HordesOfKailas]

Shoot it with a bayonet attached, that is how they were sighted in.

From a physics standpoint, I don't see why that would effect sighting. The trajectory of the bullet wouldn't be changed unless the barrel was perturbed and the bayonet shouldn't do that. I've read this everywhere, but haven't seen any quantifiable verification.

Also, just bought my first spam can. The hiss of opening it was pretty exciting (any one remember The Mummy???). So now I need to prep for shooting corrosive ammo. I've read ammonia and water are the best way to maintain barrels, but any specific advice?

 

[Threeband]

10% Ballistol. Clandestine has a thread on cleaning up corrosive. Basically, before you leave the firing line, you should piss down the barrel. Is Russian way.

Here it is. He moved it:http://www.scotts-gunsmithing.com/f-a-q/gunsmith-related-f-a-q/corrosive-ammunition-cleaning-tips/


That hiss when you opened the spam can means it's contaminated with botulism. Don't eat any of it.

The bayonet will definitely affect point of impact, though it probably won't be "on" at 100. It alters the harmonics of the barrel, that is, how the barrel vibrates and whips and flexes. Russians were not issued bayonet scabbards. Bayonets were supposed to be always fixed, though sometimes soldiers would reverse the bayonet: put it on backwards.

Try the heavy ball when you have a chance. Did you read the stuff at Smithsights.com that I linked to before?

 

[Threeband]

He's right - you know you want one. And you can do a side-by-side comparison of what a US infantryman used versus his Soviet counterpart.

And yet for some odd reason the Germans preferred to be shot at with Garands than with Mosins ...

 

[HordesOfKailas]

10% Ballistol. Clandestine has a thread on cleaning up corrosive. Basically, before you leave the firing line, you should piss down the barrel. Is Russian way.

Here it is. He moved it:http://www.scotts-gunsmithing.com/f-a-q/gunsmith-related-f-a-q/corrosive-ammunition-cleaning-tips/


That hiss when you opened the spam can means it's contaminated with botulism. Don't eat any of it.

The bayonet will definitely affect point of impact, though it probably won't be "on" at 100. It alters the harmonics of the barrel, that is, how the barrel vibrates and whips and flexes. Russians were not issued bayonet scabbards. Bayonets were supposed to be always fixed, though sometimes soldiers would reverse the bayonet: put it on backwards.

Try the heavy ball when you have a chance. Did you read the stuff at Smithsights.com that I linked to before?

Hoooo boy too late to tell me that now. I like fried spam a good bit. Little botulism never killed anyone...right?

And yeah, I read the article. I realize the bayonet adds weight at the end potentially altering harmonics. I guess I'm thinking the distances I shoot (50 - 100 yards) won't be affected by bayonet attachment.

 

[Threeband]

... I guess I'm thinking the distances I shoot (50 - 100 yards) won't be affected by bayonet attachment.

Now you must conduct tests and report back. There is much internet talk about shooting Mosins with bayonet fixed, but there is little hard empirical data.

Your assignment is to amass the data, conduct the research, and report in this peer-reviewed forum. With photos.


Assuming the botulism doesn't kill you, which it probably will.

 

[Straightbolt]

He's right - you know you want one. And you can do a side-by-side comparison of what a US infantryman used versus his Soviet counterpart.

This comparison might be a little more fair

 

[Josh Smith]

This comparison might be a little more fair

I agree. We fielded a large number of bolt-action weapons in WWII as well, because Garand production just couldn't keep up.

Josh

 

[AC MkIII]

Nice anti aircraft gun. You can make these pretty accurate out to 300 yards without modding the look and originality. Enjoy

 

[Josh Smith]

Hoooo boy too late to tell me that now. I like fried spam a good bit. Little botulism never killed anyone...right?

And yeah, I read the article. I realize the bayonet adds weight at the end potentially altering harmonics. I guess I'm thinking the distances I shoot (50 - 100 yards) won't be affected by bayonet attachment.

Yes, it will, by 6" to 12".

Josh

 

[Josh Smith]

Now you must conduct tests and report back. There is much internet talk about shooting Mosins with bayonet fixed, but there is little hard empirical data.

If you look at those Mosins which were not able to affix/weren't supposed to affix bayonets, such as the M38, M91/30 snipers, etc, you'll find that most all of them have posts that are 1mm taller than their standard-issue counterparts.

This is to allow them to shoot to point-of-aim without the weight of the bayonet.

Regards,

Josh

 

[Dave91]

Nice anti aircraft gun.

 

[Machodoc]

As for production, it is a Tula, but I see Izhevsk markings (triangle with arrow) on the bolt and lower receiver. Have been wondering about that...

Most of the rifles that came out of the former Soviet states were re-arsenaled in the years after WWII. To do that, they stripped the rifles down en masse, tossed like parts into barrels, refurbished them, and either round off the old serial number or stamped it out. In short, the majority of these have had the parts force-matched, so you can have a Tula receiver with a numbers-matching Izhevsk bolt, magazine, etc.

 

[HordesOfKailas]

Most of the rifles that came out of the former Soviet states were re-arsenaled in the years after WWII. To do that, they stripped the rifles down en masse, tossed like parts into barrels, refurbished them, and either round off the old serial number or stamped it out. In short, the majority of these have had the parts force-matched, so you can have a Tula receiver with a numbers-matching Izhevsk bolt, magazine, etc.

I was hoping someone would address this. I was really curious about the mixed Tula/Izhevsk markings. Appreciate the insight, man.

 

[Threeband]

We do the same thing, which is why most surplus USGI firearms are Mixmasters. It's all a part of the rifle's history, and lends them Hybrid Vigor.