New Owner Tippmann M4-22 (Novice)

[rob.mwp]

I really favor the MFT Minimalist stock for action shooting applications: https://missionfirsttactical.com/BMSMIL

My buddy just told me tonight the company he works for molds all their stuff...

I use a little bit of

mobil 1 synthetic pink grease and oil.



Second half of the video

I use dabs of grease using a q-tip in the trigger assembly and along the rails of the bolt. Then dip said bolt into a jar of full synth mobil 1 oil. Take out and let it drip until it stops. Then put it back together. The dust cover will show some grease in it like the old putting grease in ball joint nipples. Yes I said it. Lol. Not much. It is called running it wet.

This is what I do. I also do not clean every time I shoot. To me like changing oil after driving to the store. Again, that is me. .22s you do need to clean more than regular ARs

That is a LOT of grease, lol.

 

[babalou]

My buddy just told me tonight the company he works for molds all their stuff...

That is a LOT of grease, lol.

Lol. Not too much. Lol.

 

[rob.mwp]

Lol. Not too much. Lol.

I thought about this, watched some videos. Thought about it some more. How do you keep dirt from accumulating on the carrier (or inside the unit for that matter?)

I am super green, but plenty of experience with wheel bearings, mechanics, grease, etc. That just seems like a problem down the road? Teach me something... happy to learn!

 

[babalou]

I thought about this, watched some videos. Thought about it some more. How do you keep dirt from accumulating on the carrier (or inside the unit for that matter?)

I am super green, but plenty of experience with wheel bearings, mechanics, grease, etc. That just seems like a problem down the road? Teach me something... happy to learn!

it is going to happen. I have not had any failures. The guy in the vids Chad knows his stuff. I do not run it dry. plus every once in a while you can field strip clean. like changing your oil.

 

[rob.mwp]

it is going to happen. I have not had any failures. The guy in the vids Chad knows his stuff. I do not run it dry. plus every once in a while you can field strip clean. like changing your oil.

I am not saying that he doesn't know his stuff, I'm saying I can't think of any environment where a firearm would be better in that condition. Say... in the desert? Sand blowing everywhere... at least a lightly oiled unit could repel some of the grit, that the way it is looks like a sand trap.

Do / does the military do that with their firearms?

 

[babalou]

I am not saying that he doesn't know his stuff, I'm saying I can't think of any environment where a firearm would be better in that condition. Say... in the desert? Sand blowing everywhere... at least a lightly oiled unit could repel some of the grit, that the way it is looks like a sand trap.

Do / does the military do that with their firearms?

well, ask him. Military people take classes from him all the time. How often do you shoot in Assateague? You do you, though. Military does not do anything because they can just go to the armorer to get barrels replaced, bolts, lowers, etc. Ping Clandestine.

 

[rob.mwp]

well, ask him. Military people take classes from him all the time. How often do you shoot in Assateague? You do you, though. Military does not do anything because they can just go to the armorer to get barrels replaced, bolts, lowers, etc. Ping Clandestine.

No Sir, I didn't mean any offense by it. Clearly there's something to it, I just don't understand it (not surprising).

The only place I've shot is on the farm (a good bit) and once at a range (didn't really care for the indoor range).

I can't stress enough how new I am, so take it all with a grain of salt. Just trying to learn and think things through.

Thanks!

 

[babalou]

No Sir, I didn't mean any offense by it. Clearly there's something to it, I just don't understand it (not surprising).

The only place I've shot is on the farm (a good bit) and once at a range (didn't really care for the indoor range).

I can't stress enough how new I am, so take it all with a grain of salt. Just trying to learn and think things through.

Thanks!

no offense taken. I was just pointing you to da'man. He can explain better than I. Also, he is a wealth of knowledge.

 

[rob.mwp]

no offense taken. I was just pointing you to da'man. He can explain better than I. Also, he is a wealth of knowledge.

Appreciate it, I'll check him out.

 

[babalou]

Appreciate it, I'll check him out.

Cool. and welcome aboard. to me, think of the thick stuff as suspending the contaminates, like clay bars, too. I have always looked at the Tippmann. a lot of people like it better than what I have- the M&P 15-22. Congrats

 

[Catch-10-22]

I have a lot of experience with Tippmanns with Appleseed (have 2 I use as loaners). I love the rifles and they can be extremely accurate, reliable, and durable.

I immediately replaced the stocks on both - I like the Magpul MOE SL best (solid lock-up, no rattle, light, and has a QD sling mount included, unlike many other Magpul sticks where you have to buy it separately). One is wearing a B-Systems stock right now and it wobbles.

One rifle had significant light strike issues (would fire one round, but never a second) that were caused by the buffer tube - apparently it required an additional rotation into the receiver.

They are picky on aftermarket triggers as well. I tried the Larue MBT, for instance, and it did not work with the safety. Both of mine have NP coated milspec triggers that are a significant improvement over the OEM model, but cheap.

I do not overlube semi-auto rimfires like I would with a centerfire AR. I clean them and then spray the bolt and receiver with Hornady One Shot dry lube.

Mag-wise, I always load vertically with AR-style 22s to prevent rimlock and other feed issues. The loading button is super helpful.

 

[Hibs]

I am not saying that he doesn't know his stuff, I'm saying I can't think of any environment where a firearm would be better in that condition. Say... in the desert? Sand blowing everywhere... at least a lightly oiled unit could repel some of the grit, that the way it is looks like a sand trap.

Do / does the military do that with their firearms?

You are exactly right. The military (or those in the military who actually use their firearms) do not run them sopping wet for the exact reasons you described. In blowing sand environments we clean it, CLP it, wipe it dry, MAYBE add one or two drops of CLP to the BCG.

While his method is all fine and dandy for 99% of the users here who's pretty AR never goes anywhere but from the safe to the bench and back, it's not a end-all/be-all method for everyone.

 

[Hibs]

well, ask him. Military people take classes from him all the time. How often do you shoot in Assateague? You do you, though. Military does not do anything because they can just go to the armorer to get barrels replaced, bolts, lowers, etc. Ping Clandestine.

You can't get a barrel replaced while in the middle of an operation. The military does care for their shit. Likely more then most, because most people don't literally have their life depending on the operation of their AR.

 

[slsc98]

….I do not overlube semi-auto rimfires like I would with a centerfire AR. I clean them and then spray the bolt and receiver with Hornady One Shot dry lube.….

^ ^

“train (thread), meet the tracks again”

OP’s thread is regarding semi-auto rimfire …

 

[babalou]

You can't get a barrel replaced while in the middle of an operation. The military does care for their shit. Likely more then most, because most people don't literally have their life depending on the operation of their AR.

I get it. However, one of my younger brothers was a marine and when I tried to show him stuff, he always told me that is not the way we did it in the military. I am going by what works for me. Plus, I trust Clandestine. Hope your weekend is great. Hot already here. ugh.

 

[Sirex]

I do not overlube semi-auto rimfires like I would with a centerfire AR. I clean them and then spray the bolt and receiver with Hornady One Shot dry lube.

Mag-wise, I always load vertically with AR-style 22s to prevent rimlock and other feed issues. The loading button is super helpful.

I clean and lube my 15-22s exclusively with Hornady One Shot. I love that stuff.

 

[Sirex]

What do you think about this stock. I don't know anything about stocks, but I feel like the Tippmann is a little short (for me) and one of the comments said it makes it feel a little longer. Thoughts? I have no idea what's good and what's crap.

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What do you grease? I see CPL has a grease, but I'm not sure anything that I've read says to grease anything. Thanks!

I have 2 of those stocks on my ARs. I found them very comfortable.

 

[rob.mwp]

Sorry guys, weekends with kids are always busy!

Cool. and welcome aboard. to me, think of the thick stuff as suspending the contaminates, like clay bars, too. I have always looked at the Tippmann. a lot of people like it better than what I have- the M&P 15-22. Congrats

Thanks!

I have a lot of experience with Tippmanns with Appleseed (have 2 I use as loaners). I love the rifles and they can be extremely accurate, reliable, and durable.

I immediately replaced the stocks on both - I like the Magpul MOE SL best (solid lock-up, no rattle, light, and has a QD sling mount included, unlike many other Magpul sticks where you have to buy it separately). One is wearing a B-Systems stock right now and it wobbles.

I'll check that out, thanks. I'm assuming you mean the Magpul MOE SL S Stock? I see there's a few variations.

I like the QD sling mount, kind of why I was looking at the one I linked as it was a little less expensive, but for and extra $10 or $15 Idc.

One rifle had significant light strike issues (would fire one round, but never a second) that were caused by the buffer tube - apparently it required an additional rotation into the receiver.

Was that covered / fixed by Tippmann? They sound like a great company from all accounts online.

They are picky on aftermarket triggers as well. I tried the Larue MBT, for instance, and it did not work with the safety. Both of mine have NP coated milspec triggers that are a significant improvement over the OEM model, but cheap.

I'll look into that after I get some time with the stock stuff.. no point in upgrading everything right away without a baseline (except probably the stock... that sucks!)

I do not overlube semi-auto rimfires like I would with a centerfire AR. I clean them and then spray the bolt and receiver with Hornady One Shot dry lube.

Mag-wise, I always load vertically with AR-style 22s to prevent rimlock and other feed issues. The loading button is super helpful.

I'll check out Hornady. How would that compare to say Lucas CPL? I would assume with CPL I would need to wipe down, maybe Hornady not?

You are exactly right. The military (or those in the military who actually use their firearms) do not run them sopping wet for the exact reasons you described. In blowing sand environments we clean it, CLP it, wipe it dry, MAYBE add one or two drops of CLP to the BCG.

While his method is all fine and dandy for 99% of the users here who's pretty AR never goes anywhere but from the safe to the bench and back, it's not a end-all/be-all method for everyone.

I will probably never be the guy rolling around in the dirt trying to shoot, but who knows. I do like to learn about different methods so that's interesting. I wouldn't consider myself a "prepper" by any means, but I wouldn't want my way of lubing the gun to interfere with chances during Armageddon either, lol.

^ ^

“train (thread), meet the tracks again”

OP’s thread is regarding semi-auto rimfire …

Lol... it's ok. It's nice learning about different methods all the same. The point to the AR platform was so I can eventually get an AR and not have to be back at zero again.

I get it. However, one of my younger brothers was a marine and when I tried to show him stuff, he always told me that is not the way we did it in the military. I am going by what works for me. Plus, I trust Clandestine. Hope your weekend is great. Hot already here. ugh.

I agree, do what works for you. I do appreciate you sharing a different method. At the end of the day it's my gun, I get to choose what works for me but can only do say based off of gaining knowledge of what other people do... so thanks.

I clean and lube my 15-22s exclusively with Hornady One Shot. I love that stuff.

Awesome, thanks (same question as above, how does that compare to Lucas CPL?)

I have 2 of those stocks on my ARs. I found them very comfortable.

Do you think it's overkill for a 22? I like the way it looks, but I literally have nothing to go off of. It's nice it's fairly inexpensive. Any pics of it on your gun (if you don't mind). Thanks!

 

[Catch-10-22]

There are some variation of the SL stock - I used this one: https://magpul.com/moe-sl-carbine-stock-mil-spec.html?mp_global_color=118

Hornady One Shot is different from CLP. It is an aerosol dry lube. Although it says it can be used for cleaning (and I so that if I quickly need to get a gun back in action) it is better for creating a slick finish without extra oil or grease to attract unburnt powder, carbon, and other crap from rimfire ammo. In a centerfire AR, you can run dirty and wet all day, but rimfires start to choke. Worse, you can get out of battery issues with bad ammo and a dirty bolt face and chamber (not just Tippmanns, but 10/22s and M&Ps too).

You are right not to make too many mods out of the box - see what you must fix. It is still a great rifle to practice with and see how you want to set-up a centerfire AR. But it is also just a great rimfire rifle in general, without compromises or quality short cuts.

 

[Catch-10-22]

Oh, and no, I fixed the buffer tube thing myself. Saw some comments on a forum. Probably could have sent it in but I wanted to understand what was wrong with it, not just get it fixed and wonder.