Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.
https://www.quietbore.com/2020/10/14/how-to-order-a-form-1-kit-from-quietbore/
basically
1. pick out a form 1 kit, get specs/length/caliber etc, info only, do not buy it(having parts without a form 1 can get your dog shot), although some may allow a "deposit" and hold it till you have a form 1. get prints or do them yourself on FBI standard print cards
2. file a form 1 on the atf website with the spec info.
3. get confirm on the filing and a cover sheet, mail cover sheet and print cards to the ATF, send the letter to your CLEO.
4. get the F1 approved, buy the F1 suppressor kit and jig, most sellers now need a copy of your F1 before they send it. They should engrave it for you.
5. drill it, build it, use a test rod to make sure everything lines up and you won't get a baffle strike.
6. test fire. test with a brace before you pin/weld the mount and tube if you are doing a single stamp rifle with < 16" barrel.
A decent kit is stupid easy to make, basically drill baffles/end cap with a drill press, centering jig and assemble. Some may add clips, slots or ports in the baffles with a milling bit to get a little better performance.
Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.
John. Yes, I used my IPhone and the Silencer Shop app to take a photo. I am not sure what other ways it can be done. I might suggest talking to the FFL that you are having it shipped to as they might be able to direct you to another way to get that done.
Thanks Nick. I am going to probably buy a Sparrow for my .22 first and, when SS gets them back in, a user serviceable 9mm can. When you said "upload photo" does that mean I need a smart phone? I don't have one.
I made an appointment for photo and fingerprints at Gun Metal in Millersville. I decided to go with the Dead Air Mask instead of the Sparrow based on numerous reviews of each.
Thanks for your help.
Have you tried a sparrow yet? If not, I have 2 videos I can send you that may help you decide if that is what you'd like to get.
I decided to go with a Dead Air Mask based on reviews and members feedback.
As for a user serviceable 9mm can, I'd recommend against it. Centerfire cans don't need to be cleaned very often, if at all. The centerfire rounds actually clean the can out for the most part when shooting.
I shoot cast bullets that I make in all my guns except .22RF and 5.56 AR platforms. This makes user serviceable mandatory as they crud up pretty good.
Honestly, I'd tell you to skip the 9mm can and get a 45 can. Specifically the Silencerco Osprey 45. No need for suppressor height sights on your pistols and a 45 can will suppress anything 45ACP and smaller. I have videos of a Osprey 45 where I'm just shooting it and also where I'm hitting a steel plate target for sound comparison.
I have no .45 that I wish to suppress that is why I want a 9mm can.
Call up SS and ask if you can do a backorder over the phone for a can that you want. You may be surprised as to what happens.
This is the first I've heard of this joint, I might have to check them out!
I do have the freeze plug shaper for the 1.5" freezeplugs as well as a 6 ton press and those recommended in the $100 form 1 can thread by Webber.
The #4 part: Send letter to your CLEO. What letter is that. Also for fingerprints, I had a Trust once upon a time and did a Form 1 x 3. Do I need prints of those in the Trust (Me and Wife) or also the beneficiaries (still minors at this time)?
Mailing Documentation for your CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer):
(1) BATFE Form 1 (5320.1) - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 11 through 13. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).
(1) BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 5 through 6. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire) from all Responsible Persons.
Each other responsible person of the gun trust, if applicable, will mail the below to their CLEO.
(1) BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 3 through 4. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire)
Mailing Documentation for the BATFE:
(1) Stapled Photocopy of NFA Gun Trust Documentation. (you can purchase your NFA Gun Trust here). Include a copy of any and each amendment(s) in your NFA Gun Trust. If you don't have any gun trust amendments, then this doesn't apply to you.
(1) $200 Check made out to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives for your Tax Stamp. You can also pay by cashier's check or credit card. See the ATF Form 1 for more payment options.
(1) Original BATFE Form 1's (5320.1) ATF COPY - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 1 through 3. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).
(1) Original BATFE Form 1's (5320.1) ATF COPY 2 - Note: from your ATF Form 1 these are pages 8 through 10. (Application to Make and Register a Firearm).
(1) Original BATFE Form 5320.23 - Note: you need pages 1 through 2 for each Responsible Person that is active in the gun trust and located on your gun trust. This includes: settlor and all co-trustees. (National Firearms Act Responsible Person Questionnaire). You need to include the below bulleted items with your BATFE Form 5230.23.
Affix (1) Passport Photo - 2x2 to Item 3e on Form 5320.23. This applies to every 5320.23 you are submitting to the ATF. Use a paperclip to affix the passport photo to your ATF Form 5320.23. NOTE: If you are applying as an individual you will need to submit (2) Passport Photos - 2x2 for your application. If needed, we provide passport photo printing services to ensure your passport photo will be accepted by the ATF.
(2) Original FBI Form FD-258's (Fingerprint Card) from all Responsible Persons. Use a paperclip to affix the Original FBI Form FD-258's to the ATF Form 5320.23. Fingerprints must be submitted on Fingerprint Identification Cards, FD–258 that have been issued by ATF. The fingerprint cards must contain the following ORI information: WVATF0900; ATF–NATL EXPL LIC, MARTINSBURG WV or WVATF0800 ATF-NATL TRA CTR MARTINSBURG, WV. You can buy the FBI Form FD-258's Paper Fingerprinting Packet Here. The fingerprint cards can be completed yourself, by your local law enforcement authority, or another qualified entity. Source ATF, "How do I get my fingerprints taken?".
I replied to your post between the lines.
https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/blogs/nfa-gun-trust-atf-information-database-blog/atf-form-1-nfa-tax-stamp-walk-through-guide
Good choice on the mask, much better tone, little quieter and no FRP, probably the best all around 22 can out now, mine has been great.
I like serviceable cans, and pistol ammo can crud it up quite a bit, you can get away with a few rifle cal rounds on cans rated for both to clear it out, but if it's pistol cal only, would definitely like to be able to clean it, especially with cast ammo. Much of the differences come down to the usual, size weight, rating, attachment method. I really like 3 lug with anything fixed barrel, super quick and easy, universal, and won't come loose. I would rather get a good PCC or rifle rated can that I could occasionally use with a booster/handgun than a lightweight handgun can that isn't great on rifles. The only handguns I really like suppressed are 22s, a 22 can is small/light enough to not be cumbersome and they are still stupid quiet.
I have a few potential 45 hosts, but after playing with cans for a few years, have found a couple things. 22 and PCCs are by far the most fun, and quiet as expected. Rifle calibers are fun and much more shootable than unsuppressed, but take more work to limit gas blowback and ensure reliability. Suppressed handguns are a novelty, still kinda loud, and bulky/heavy, so not as practical or fun as they would seem. You could use a rifle rated 9mm can, that is probably the most versatile setup. Otherwise I would rather have the smaller lighter 9mmm can than a larger heavier and loud 45 can. unless you have a 45cal PCC, IMO it's probably the least useful can.
I am planning to put the 9mm can on my CMMG Banshee. It has the Radial Delayed Blowback system. Do you think that it will work with a can?
I am planning to put the 9mm can on my CMMG Banshee. It has the Radial Delayed Blowback system. Do you think that it will work with a can?
Is one 3 lug adapter the same as any other or do you have to buy one by the can manufacturer?
yes, they run well. if the barrel is fixed, then 3 lug, DT or a booster with fixed barrel spacer will work. If it's a handgun with recoil operation aka most handguns with a locked breech, then it needs a booster to work.