Panzer Arms BP-12 or Charles Daly N4S

[big pimpin]

Any thoughts on either of these ?

Maybe one better then the other. About $150 cost difference

https://www.panzerarms.com.tr/bullpup-1

https://www.charlesdaly.com/product.php?id=686

 

[John from MD]

Do some serious searching for issues because the few of these I have seen appeared to only work well with buck shot loads. Standard shot loads caused issues with cycling.

 

[Squaregrouper]

The Panzer Arms looks very similar to the Black Aces Tactical. They may be different brandings of the same firearm.
That being said, we are selling the hell out of the Black Aces bullpups at Masada (yes, I moonlight there now) and the customers are raving about how great they are.

 

[big pimpin]

Do some serious searching for issues because the few of these I have seen appeared to only work well with buck shot loads. Standard shot loads caused issues with cycling.

I have seen this but have read quite a bit that once a few rounds go thru it’s not an issue

 

[big pimpin]

The Panzer Arms looks very similar to the Black Aces Tactical. They may be different brandings of the same firearm.
That being said, we are selling the hell out of the Black Aces bullpups at Masada (yes, I moonlight there now) and the customers are raving about how great they are.

I’ll look into Black Aces also. Thanks

 

[Johnny5k]

Id say whichever feels comfortable to you. Personally I have never held a Bullpup style 12ga that didnt feel like i was being held in some kind of arm bar jujitsu lock.

 

[LimaVictor]

The Panzer Arms looks very similar to the Black Aces Tactical. They may be different brandings of the same firearm.
That being said, we are selling the hell out of the Black Aces bullpups at Masada (yes, I moonlight there now) and the customers are raving about how great they are.

This.
We are selling a bunch of the Black Aces Bullpups. They are gone just as we put them on the rack for sale.
We are also selling a bunch of those chinese via Texas JTS 12ga AKs and pumps.

 

[big pimpin]

This.
We are selling a bunch of the Black Aces Bullpups. They are gone just as we put them on the rack for sale.
We are also selling a bunch of those chinese via Texas JTS 12ga AKs and pumps.

Where are you that has Black Aces? I don’t even see them on line anywhere

 

[big pimpin]

Id say whichever feels comfortable to you. Personally I have never held a Bullpup style 12ga that didnt feel like i was being held in some kind of arm bar jujitsu lock.

I hear ya on that one. The AR12 styles are nice too

 

[Kevmo]

i want one of these too.. but the AR style not bullpup.

also been eyeing the IMI version with the rotating mag.

 

[big pimpin]

i want one of these too.. but the AR style not bullpup.

also been eyeing the IMI version with the rotating mag.

Yeah. I like the AR style but really want something a tad shorter