Prediction: Annapolis may move to an outright ban....

[BeoBill]

If it's becomes part of their rule set, then I suspect the RSO would have to ask you to leave, as is the case now for current rule offenses.

I sincerely doubt that.

 

[BeoBill]

I think you're ignoring a coupla small details. One: roughly 2/3 of sheriffs support the Second Amendment as well as ~1/3 of police and military. So, right off the bat, the government's got a serious and, potentially, self-destructive problem within its own ranks. Two: with instant communication, an attack on one law-abiding tax-payer by government thugs is likely to result in hundreds of armed and VERY angry cavalry arriving to defend him. Refer to recent events re the BLM for examples. Three: anti-Americans, while loud and in control, are still—currently, at least—a minority in this country. Four: the federal government's been planning for an armed revolt precipitated by a firearm confiscation since at least the 80s when a close LE friend was tasked to infiltrate militia groups to gather intel on the strength and breadth of the anti-government movement/sentiment. Five: against an armed, prepared populace, you've got the likes of the US post office, IRS, DOJ, EPA, PAA, Milulski, Sanders....get the picture. You've got the gang that can't shoot or get their stories straight composed of government workers vs The People, who're armed, passionate and backed by the Constitution of the United States of America.

...and are familiar with their weapons and haven't spent the last few years pushing a pencil instead of getting range time.

 

[Robert]

Then WHY didn't he ...

The same logic applies as I stated earlier.

So please tell me how Hogan can make ANY substantial difference. Is this the same difference he made on his first session budget? Is this the same difference he made in his Veto's?

Perhaps I'm not seeing the bigger picture here, but from what has actually happened I can't see that his involvement against legislative action would amount to any difference. They will simply over throw his veto's at the beginning of the next session, rinse and repeat.

I think you're ignoring a coupla small details. One: roughly 2/3 of sheriffs support the Second Amendment as well as ~1/3 of police and military. So, right off the bat, the government's got a serious and, potentially, self-destructive problem within its own ranks.

How has that stopped any of the overreaching, right stripping legislation that has already been passed over the last 50 years? The answer is that it hasn't. Those same folks, if they want to stay employed, will enforce the laws that are with-in there scope of enforcement.

Or is THIS issue a line_in_the_sand issue that wakens the numbers required to win/make a difference?

Two: with instant communication, an attack on one law-abiding tax-payer by government thugs is likely to result in hundreds of armed and VERY angry cavalry arriving to defend him. Refer to recent events re the BLM for examples.

It's not going to be an attack, at least that's not how it's been done over the last 50 years or so. It's the slow, methodical and quiet stripping of rights that has in the past work and will continue to take place in the future.

Furthermore those said persons will be vilified, in a public display, to make it appear they are a threat, which will quench most mounting resistance that builds.

Three: anti-Americans, while loud and in control, are still—currently, at least—a minority in this country.

How is this a missed point? Their being in control is 9/10 of the problem.

Four: the federal government's been planning for an armed revolt precipitated by a firearm confiscation since at least the 80s when a close LE friend was tasked to infiltrate militia groups to gather intel on the strength and breadth of the anti-government movement/sentiment.

I'm not understanding how a well prepared government is going to help us?

Five: against an armed, prepared populace, you've got the likes of the US post office, IRS, DOJ, EPA, PAA, Milulski, Sanders....get the picture. You've got the gang that can't shoot or get their stories straight composed of government workers vs The People, who're armed, passionate and backed by the Constitution of the United States of America.

I'll give you that one, but have you really thought about how prepared our populace is? Perhaps I'm just way out in left field on this, but while the populace is armed, they are hardly prepared, and not even in the same league as LEA's.

I know all this is hypothetical for now, but I don't even think there is enough American civilians that even care enough to take a stand for their rights, much less die to preserve them.

How do you explain the evisceration of the BOR over the last 50 years, and especially over that last 16? Despite great political battles, we have lost major ground. What do we get, more of the same leader's voted back in to office so they can continue the destruction of our constitution.

Where have We the People gone, and will We the People return.

 

[jpk1md]

Democrats demanding gun confiscation should all go on hungers strikes to show the world they're serious. Elected Democrats should refuse to accept their paychecks until they get exactly what they want.

Hate to break it to you but a bunch of them have the physiques of Sen Mikulski who could probably fast for 12 mos straight and STILL have more to go

 

[C&RTactical]

I rather not have to load the mags I got for actual use. In addition to buying more ammo and mags to supply myself and others.

 

[hogarth]

I'm no tinfoil-hat-wearing dude, but for the first time I'm nervous/scared. For the first time I'm making contingency plans about what to do if laws like those in CA pass. Drawing my line in the sand, so to speak.

Noncompliance will be the first order of the day. No way I'm turning in magazines. That's just stupid. If I have to buy some ten rounders to use at the range, so be it. It won't affect my training.

Moving certain items out of state is another option.

I suppose secretly caching stuff can be another ("I built all my AR lowers into HBARs that were sold FTF")

Moving out of state would be a pain with a wife and kids, but we have connections in red states that would provide safe haven unless sweeping "reforms" are passed at a national level.

Sadly, increased study of asymmetric warfare--not due to a hobby-like interest, sadly-- will also increase, as will as much training as I can get in the near term. Never thought I might actually have to use such training against "my own" people.

Increased networking among like-minded folks.

Hopefully a more visible presence in Annapolis next session (didn't make it to anything this past year due to illness and other factors....Thanks to those of you who spent time down there! It's appreciated!).

Increasing my financial support of NRA, SAF, MSI.

I work in one of the most liberal professions (teacher) in one of the most liberal states. Coworkers think that, if I must own an "assault rifle", that I should have to keep it locked up at a range to use there. They just don't get it. They think Baltimorons had a right to riot last year due to years of injustice. They think the police will always save them.

Surrounded by such nonsense affecting my worldview, I see Maryland as a lost cause and this liberal "agenda" spreading like wildfire. Look at Virginia, Colorado, Pennsylvania for proof. Scary.

I blame Republicans at the national level for not holding their noses four years ago and voting for Romney. Imagine the death of Scalia with a sort of Republican president and a Republican Senate. Instead we're screwed. My only hope now is that those Republicans who can't bring themselves to vote for Trump at least show up on November so we can keep the Senate and House.

Sorry the doom and gloom. Even in 2013 I never thought I'd have to really fight in my lifetime. Now it's looking like a possibility. I'll write letters, make phone calls, send emails, etc, but other preps will be made.

 

[Rack&Roll]

Good write up. You express what many are seeing, and/or thinking about.

 

[good guy 176]

Plan in place...Ranger buddy is a FFL01 in PA...no sweat!!!

Ranger63

 

[pro1742]

If there were to somehow be legislation passed that resulted in the banning and or confiscation of firearms, magazines, and ammunition I doubt there are enough people in this country to take up a armed resistence to the various LEA's. Not enough to make a difference anyway. Most people lack the training, appropriate firepower, ammunition, and sad to say the intestinal fortitude to do so.

I also think if that type of legislation were to be passed, the initial phase of enforcement for those who dont comply would be the seizeure of assets and bank accounts which in this electronic age would not be hard to do. This would thin the herd greatly as I doubt many would be willing to lose what they spent a lifetime building and would not want to put there families on the streets.

For those that resisted the initial enforcement phase I think there would be fewer still that would take on the second phase which would be armed confiscation. When the day comes that armed vehicles come rolling up your families drive way with dozens of tactically armed individuals, with the planning and firepower to easily take on someone barricaded in a home, how many people really have the will to jeopardize the lives of there family memebers in what would be a futile attempt to resist?

Surely, there would be some who would resist, just not enough to make a difference.

 

[rambling_one]

It's truly sad that events have been shaped in such a way that ordinary, honest folks are even forced into such a conversation.

 

[rbird7282]

While I have no plans whatsoever to turn in mags if they pass a law in MD, noncompliance had two facets. First would be to simply keep what you have but not take it to the range. Second would be take them out and use them. IF enough people did that, (think Washington State) they might think twice about the law. I'm not convinced there are enough people in this State willing to do so.


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[Engine4]

There's at least 2 of us, rbird.

 

[hogarth]

If there were to somehow be legislation passed that resulted in the banning and or confiscation of firearms, magazines, and ammunition I doubt there are enough people in this country to take up a armed resistence to the various LEA's. Not enough to make a difference anyway. Most people lack the training, appropriate firepower, ammunition, and sad to say the intestinal fortitude to do so.

I also think if that type of legislation were to be passed, the initial phase of enforcement for those who dont comply would be the seizeure of assets and bank accounts which in this electronic age would not be hard to do. This would thin the herd greatly as I doubt many would be willing to lose what they spent a lifetime building and would not want to put there families on the streets.

For those that resisted the initial enforcement phase I think there would be fewer still that would take on the second phase which would be armed confiscation. When the day comes that armed vehicles come rolling up your families drive way with dozens of tactically armed individuals, with the planning and firepower to easily take on someone barricaded in a home, how many people really have the will to jeopardize the lives of there family memebers in what would be a futile attempt to resist?

Surely, there would be some who would resist, just not enough to make a difference.

Intestinal fortitude would be the big thing. Definitely.

The armed Swat teams wouldn't appear for a long time. First, they'd play up the crazy/terrorist angle. Didn't you know that guy in your neighborhood was unstable, had questionable contacts, and possessed an arsenal? Of course it's fine for them to take away HIS stuff. The idea of armed guys going door to door doing confiscation is not realistic, at least not until they whittled down the odds some.

By the same token, if someone comes with such a list, I will not resist. They are welcome to search my home and grounds to find those items that I sold to I-can't-recall-who, because those items will not be there.

Better to live to fight another day using my aforementioned asymmetric warfare tactics. I'd rather say no more here.....I think the time may come where those of us with this attitude need to come up with alternative comms (i.e., not web-based) contingencies in order to organize and coordinate efforts.

It saddens me that my mind--better put towards so many better uses--is being forced in this direction of late.

Oh, and to Rack&Roll, I'd specifically like to call you out for a job well done this year in Annapolis.

 

[hogarth]

Let me add my favorite quote from "Atlas Shrugged", said on dialogue from Dr. Ferris to Hank Reardon:

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt."

 

[fred333]

I'm no tinfoil-hat-wearing dude, but for the first time I'm nervous/scared. For the first time I'm making contingency plans about what to do if laws like those in CA pass. Drawing my line in the sand, so to speak.....
Sorry the doom and gloom. Even in 2013 I never thought I'd have to really fight in my lifetime. Now it's looking like a possibility. I'll write letters, make phone calls, send emails, etc, but other preps will be made.

Well said.
I've got standing NATO-style agreements with local LE/military friends, so that none of us're likely to be standing alone if events turn cataclysmic. I'd encourage all Americans to do likewise....and do it soon since, as history's proven, these Bolsheviks (I'm now referring to all leftists, collectivists, Socialists, et al, as Bolsheviks, which is what they are) cannot be counted upon to act with honour, logic or within the law.

 

[BeoBill]

While I have no plans whatsoever to turn in mags if they pass a law in MD, noncompliance had two facets. First would be to simply keep what you have but not take it to the range. Second would be take them out and use them. IF enough people did that, (think Washington State) they might think twice about the law. I'm not convinced there are enough people in this State willing to do so.


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Sure thing! And the MGA will shout from the rooftops that it made a mistake and rescind FSA2013.


Said nobody ever...

 

[Bourbonstamps]

Second would be take them out and use them. IF enough people did that, (think Washington State) they might think twice about the law.
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I'd love to see places like AGC ban all MSP employees until they accept self defense as G&S.

It would be a hell of a statement if they banned all MD state employees as agents of an oppressive gov't.

 

[teratos]

I'd love to see places like AGC ban all MSP employees until they accept self defense as accepted as G&S. It would be a hell of a statement if they banned all MD state employee and agents of an oppressive gov't.

Would be great.

 

[fred333]

I'd love to see places like AGC ban all MSP employees until they accept self defense as accepted as G&S.
It would be a hell of a statement if they banned all MD state employees as agents of an oppressive gov't.

Seems logical to me.

 

[BeoBill]

I'd love to see places like AGC ban all MSP employees until they accept self defense as accepted as G&S.

It would be a hell of a statement if they banned all MD state employees as agents of an oppressive gov't.

Works for me.

Stand up, sit down, or get the Hell out of the way...