Registration Conundrum

[outrider58]

They are NOT regulated because they can be built into pistols. They are regulated because they can be built into a banned weapon. The recording of the purchase(erroneously referred to as 'registering') gives the state a date and age of the serialized lower. It's the only way the state can tell if it was built into an illegal configuration.

One last try ^^^

You can buy a dedicated pistol caliber AR lower. It is cash and carry. No 7 day wait. No 77r. You can build it into a pistol or rifle. Whatever you choose.

 

[BigMac]

One last try ^^^

You can buy a dedicated pistol caliber AR lower. It is cash and carry. No 7 day wait. No 77r. You can build it into a pistol or rifle. Whatever you choose.

I was for a long time under the impression that any lower is regulated because it could be made into a pistol. Thanks to your insistence, I did some searching and came across this thread. It seems like there is a lot of ambiguity and misunderstanding around lowers, but ultimately MSP confirmed that non ar15 lowers are cash and carry.
I'd like to verify the implications of this:
Does this mean that I don't need to be 21 to buy such a lower? If such a lower was to be turned into a pistol would it need a 77r or any special steps?

I first bought a ar10 upper with the intention of buying a separate lower. An FFL told me that to buy the lower I would need to be 21 AND get an HQL. Needless to say, I erroneously believed him, and I bought a new complete ar10. I'm not so upset about the mistake because now I have a .308 and 6.5 upper, but as it turns out I can now complete a second build if I can find a competent FFL and enough money in my piggy bank.

 

[outrider58]

I was for a long time under the impression that any lower is regulated because it could be made into a pistol. Thanks to your insistence, I did some searching and came across this thread. It seems like there is a lot of ambiguity and misunderstanding around lowers, but ultimately MSP confirmed that non ar15 lowers are cash and carry.
I'd like to verify the implications of this:
Does this mean that I don't need to be 21 to buy such a lower? If such a lower was to be turned into a pistol would it need a 77r or any special steps? Would I need to be 21 to make it into a pistol?

I first bought a ar10 upper with the intention of buying a separate lower. An FFL told me that to buy the lower I would need to be 21 AND get an HQL. Needless to say, I erroneously believed him, and I bought a new complete ar10. I'm not so upset about the mistake because now I have a .308 and 6.5 upper, but as it turns out I can now complete a second build if I can find a competent FFL and enough money in my piggy bank.

The one point I can not tell you unequivocally, is whether you need to be over 21 to buy an unregulated lower. It stands to reason, tough, that that is the case.

What I can tell you is this; any AR type lower that is not capable of firing a .223/5.56 round, is cash and carry. You will have to transfer it into Md(unless you can find one in stock inside the state), and you will have to fill out a 4473(federal transfer form) as well as do a NICS upon picking up that lower receiver. You will not need a 77r, will not have to wait 7 days to pick it up, and you will not need an HQL. I have personally purchased three that way. I had no HQL. It's reasonable to assume you would need to be 21 or older to do this, given that the lower can be built into a pistol configuration.

I hate to be redundant, but the only reason AR 15 lowers capable of firing the .223/5.56 round are regulated is so the state has a record that the lower was purchased later than 1 Oct, 2013, so that it can not be built into a banned configuration(ie, anything other than a heavy barreled firearm). It is not because they can be built into a pistol.

 

[dblas]

I was for a long time under the impression that any lower is regulated because it could be made into a pistol. Thanks to your insistence, I did some searching and came across this thread. It seems like there is a lot of ambiguity and misunderstanding around lowers, but ultimately MSP confirmed that non ar15 lowers are cash and carry.

Correct an AR-10 lower is cash and carry and only requires a 4473.

I'd like to verify the implications of this:
Does this mean that I don't need to be 21 to buy such a lower?

Correct.

If such a lower was to be turned into a pistol would it need a 77r or any special steps?

No requirement in State Statute to register a serialized lower that is completed as a pistol.

I first bought a ar10 upper with the intention of buying a separate lower. An FFL told me that to buy the lower I would need to be 21 AND get an HQL.

The FFL was wrong on both parts, find a new FFL if you haven't already.

Needless to say, I erroneously believed him, and I bought a new complete ar10. I'm not so upset about the mistake because now I have a .308 and 6.5 upper, but as it turns out I can now complete a second build if I can find a competent FFL and enough money in my piggy bank.

Good luck in your search.