SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[ustasc]

It's perfectly fine, and currently legal. If you don't like it I really don't care.

I see. Well, it's not that I do or do not "like" it. However, it is not a good idea from a criminal enforcement perspective. It could be argued that it reaches reasonable articulable suspicion from a law enforcement perspective. It is not illegal for you to walk down the street with an AR-15 unloaded but, it is RAS for a stop. You could argue that the RAS is non existent because you are not breaking the law. However, RAS is not probable cause, so you don't have to break the law to be questioned as to why you are walking around with a loaded firearm. RAS is easily established by the existence of extensive mass shootings. Moreover, it just isn't a great idea. Jumping off the roof of your own house isn't illegal but its not a good idea.

 

[Bertfish]

That is not a good idea.

Why not?

 

[Doctor_M]

I'm not a fan of open carry, but at this point, I say, if you are up for it, make a statement. Let them see us. What are they going to do, take our right to open carry away.... too late, they just did effective 10/1.

 

[ustasc]

Why not?

Well multiple reasons... However, it is not a good idea from a criminal enforcement perspective. It could be argued that it reaches reasonable articulable suspicion from a law enforcement perspective. It is not illegal for you to walk down the street with an AR-15 unloaded but, it is RAS for a stop. You could argue that the RAS is non existent because you are not breaking the law. However, RAS is not probable cause, so you don't have to break the law to be questioned as to why you are walking around with a loaded firearm. RAS is easily established by the existence of extensive mass shootings. Moreover, it just isn't a great idea. Jumping off the roof of your own house isn't illegal but its not a good idea.

While I understand that people are upset, just as I am, carrying an open firearm down the street in Maryland is a recipe for a problem. Especially since we don't want to create an image that we are in fact "gun nuts" walking around with firearms because the next bill that comes out will limit us even further and they will cite examples of us walking around openly carrying guns in an attempt to make people upset. They will point the finger and say I told you so.

I completely understand the idea of screw this nonsense but, again, to do something to prove a point that will fall on deaf ears is pointless. You will make the news in a bad way. It will not improve anything, actually the reverse is entirely possible. Wait for the court action to progress through the system.

 

[ustasc]

Besides, there is a potential loophole to SB1... and I am going to leave it at that for a bit.

 

[Abacab]

It appears currently it is just dwellings unless posted by private property.

The amendment by the House just says property, not dwellings. Property is further defined in the amendment as a building not the adjacent land.

That sounds like a ban on carrying everywhere except where specifically posted it's allowed but perhaps property is defined elsewhere as dwellings? Seems unlikely considering they specifically defined property in the amendment.

 

[Stoveman]

Well multiple reasons... However, it is not a good idea from a criminal enforcement perspective. It could be argued that it reaches reasonable articulable suspicion from a law enforcement perspective. It is not illegal for you to walk down the street with an AR-15 unloaded but, it is RAS for a stop. You could argue that the RAS is non existent because you are not breaking the law. However, RAS is not probable cause, so you don't have to break the law to be questioned as to why you are walking around with a loaded firearm. RAS is easily established by the existence of extensive mass shootings. Moreover, it just isn't a great idea. Jumping off the roof of your own house isn't illegal but its not a good idea.

While I understand that people are upset, just as I am, carrying an open firearm down the street in Maryland is a recipe for a problem. Especially since we don't want to create an image that we are in fact "gun nuts" walking around with firearms because the next bill that comes out will limit us even further and they will cite examples of us walking around openly carrying guns in an attempt to make people upset. They will point the finger and say I told you so.

I completely understand the idea of screw this nonsense but, again, to do something to prove a point that will fall on deaf ears is pointless. You will make the news in a bad way. It will not improve anything, actually the reverse is entirely possible. Wait for the court action to progress through the system.

Mkay. Freaking 2A Butters....

 

[EXIT WOUND]

A whole lot of this ^^^

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They really think "more guns is not the answer" not realizing the real question. If criminals are criminals because they ignore laws, what stops a "mass murderer?" Certainly not another law like restricting permits that wouldn't affect them anyway.

They really do live in a fantasy world where they ignore the most basic problem of criminals.

EXACTLY.

 

[EXIT WOUND]

I would like to Rant for a minute. Here goes.
F@$k the MGA.....

 

[Bertfish]

Well multiple reasons... However, it is not a good idea from a criminal enforcement perspective. It could be argued that it reaches reasonable articulable suspicion from a law enforcement perspective. It is not illegal for you to walk down the street with an AR-15 unloaded but, it is RAS for a stop. You could argue that the RAS is non existent because you are not breaking the law. However, RAS is not probable cause, so you don't have to break the law to be questioned as to why you are walking around with a loaded firearm. RAS is easily established by the existence of extensive mass shootings. Moreover, it just isn't a great idea. Jumping off the roof of your own house isn't illegal but its not a good idea.

While I understand that people are upset, just as I am, carrying an open firearm down the street in Maryland is a recipe for a problem. Especially since we don't want to create an image that we are in fact "gun nuts" walking around with firearms because the next bill that comes out will limit us even further and they will cite examples of us walking around openly carrying guns in an attempt to make people upset. They will point the finger and say I told you so.

I completely understand the idea of screw this nonsense but, again, to do something to prove a point that will fall on deaf ears is pointless. You will make the news in a bad way. It will not improve anything, actually the reverse is entirely possible. Wait for the court action to progress through the system.

I've open carried plenty without a single interaction with anyone. I think people believe we are watched much much more closely than we are.

 

[Blaster229]

Well multiple reasons... However, it is not a good idea from a criminal enforcement perspective. It could be argued that it reaches reasonable articulable suspicion from a law enforcement perspective. It is not illegal for you to walk down the street with an AR-15 unloaded but, it is RAS for a stop. You could argue that the RAS is non existent because you are not breaking the law. However, RAS is not probable cause, so you don't have to break the law to be questioned as to why you are walking around with a loaded firearm. RAS is easily established by the existence of extensive mass shootings. Moreover, it just isn't a great idea. Jumping off the roof of your own house isn't illegal but its not a good idea.

While I understand that people are upset, just as I am, carrying an open firearm down the street in Maryland is a recipe for a problem. Especially since we don't want to create an image that we are in fact "gun nuts" walking around with firearms because the next bill that comes out will limit us even further and they will cite examples of us walking around openly carrying guns in an attempt to make people upset. They will point the finger and say I told you so.

I completely understand the idea of screw this nonsense but, again, to do something to prove a point that will fall on deaf ears is pointless. You will make the news in a bad way. It will not improve anything, actually the reverse is entirely possible. Wait for the court action to progress through the system.

Plenty of cops throughout the state have seen pistols on hips and have not approached them. I personally know plenty of AA County cops who glance at them and continue on with their day.

But you do you, as they say.

 

[Bob A]

Personally, I'd like to return to pancake holsters, until October.

I went IWB when Monkey County took their dump on SCOTUS, and was waiting for Da Judge to do his thing; seems increasingly pointless to wait any longer.

 

[Phoenix_1295]

An interesting aspect of SB1 is, in one section it emphasizes being concealed, then in another section it requires that you tell everyone you are carrying to get permission to be in their business.

ETA: Kind of defeats the concept of being concealed.

 

[FrankZ]

An interesting aspect of SB1 is, in one section it emphasizes being concealed, then in another section it requires that you tell everyone you are carrying to get permission to be in their business.

Wearing a WWNC t-shirt should be ample notice to the businesses.

 

[Georges2nd]

Expect a lot of bolt cutters walking out of hardware stores, not only are they good for busting a window of a car out, quick snip and away goes the firearm lock box. Which can then be opened at their leisure in a safe place.

Buy stock in home depo sales on bolt cutters makes stock goes up

 

[RCSB]

Are they bringing back the G&S?

 

[BeoBill]

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Are they bringing back the G&S?

It wouldn't surprise me a bit if they tried. This is blatant spitting in the eye of the USSC. We live in the California of the East Coast.

 

[welder516]

I may start to OC, since i don't have long (Oct.) to get it in. Maybe now is the time

 

[Georges2nd]

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Are they bringing back the G&S?

Where bracket [ ] Means deleted

 

[Some Guy]

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Are they bringing back the G&S?

I do not think so. I believe (ii) "g&s, etc." is being removed and replaced w/ the bit about "not prohibited...etc."