School Me on AR-10’s

[Bountied]

The SFAR looks pretty slick I have to admit. But parts are proprietary.

I also prefer to build. I'm an Aero fanboi so typ buy sets from them. An adjustable gas block is pretty much necessary to dial in any AR perfect.

7.62N had about 2x the energy as 5.56. Physics dictate it will have 2x the recoil. Weight can help tame that. Don't be fooled by any marketing where they say their system has the same recoil as 5.56. They're lying (unless their gun weighs 2x that of the AR15.)

When you're done with an Aero build what do you value your gun at? I have an Aero that someone else built with higher end components. Elftman trigger, BA 16" heavy barrel 1:10. It's a shooter. I traded for it in the hopes of selling it but no one was interested. I had a 1" group at 100yds using 168gr FGMM and a 6X LPVO scope. It has a custom Cerakote paint job I'm not super fond of but it is what it is.

 

[smdub]

Uh oh I may need to trade in my .50 Beo. Does the upper fit DPMS pattern lowers or something else?

Mine is all custom. BHA makes one but they machine the AR10 lower to use an AR15 magazine in single stack config. I deemed that unacceptable 500 doesn't perfectly double stack in a magpul AR10 mag and tries to push the sides out making it very 'sticky' getting into the receiver. I picked up a metal mag some time ago and am going to weld on it to reinforce it. BHA didn't want to make a custom mag so I understand why they did what they did. I knew these difficulties going in but I think I can deal w/ it. For sure a 45 Raptor would have been more straightforward!

When you're done with an Aero build what do you value your gun at?

Have never valued a gun. They are built the way I want and it is what it is. My first AR10 build was a Mega MaTen because I liked the way the receiver was slant cut like a SR-25.

 

[TI-tick]

Good luck on finding a PWS AR 10. Another MDS'er and I have been looking for years w/o success.

I do have a LMT MWS nib paired with a Nightforce scope. Heavy is right. I bought it at the recommendation of a Marine. Yet to shoot it and IIRC it was > $2k.

 

[kstone803]

This is likely what I'll be getting to scratch the large pattern AR itch. I normally would build one but I shot this rifle and fell in love with it.

DD5®V3® (7.62 x 51mm)

The DD5 V3 builds upon the foundation Daniel Defense established in 7.62 AR-style rifles. This highly accurate and durable rifle includes an adjustable gas block that allows for a consistent feel whether shooting suppressed or unsuppressed. The perfected bolt carrier group reduces overall recoil...

danieldefense.com

 

[smdub]

This is likely what I'll be getting to scratch the large pattern AR itch. I normally would build one but I shot this rifle and fell in love with it.

DD5®V3® (7.62 x 51mm)

The DD5 V3 builds upon the foundation Daniel Defense established in 7.62 AR-style rifles. This highly accurate and durable rifle includes an adjustable gas block that allows for a consistent feel whether shooting suppressed or unsuppressed. The perfected bolt carrier group reduces overall recoil...

danieldefense.com

Thats a pretty damn sexy looking gun. Love how they flow the handguard mount into the upper.
My only factory AR10 is a Sig 716 DMR (gen 1) which came w/ a quad rail. Aesthetics are not its strong suite. Speaking of heavy, I think it is 12# before adding glass.

 

[inkd]

Good luck on finding a PWS AR 10. Another MDS'er and I have been looking for years w/o success.

I do have a LMT MWS nib paired with a Nightforce scope. Heavy is right. I bought it at the recommendation of a Marine. Yet to shoot it and IIRC it was > $2k.

There are 3 on Gunbroker right now. Not sure what they normally list for. But, these seem to be pricey.

 

[kmittleman]

There are 3 on Gunbroker right now. Not sure what they normally list for. But, these seem to be pricey.

Thanks for all of the replies guys. For this first AR10 I’m just looking for a reliable factory offering, not a build. Any suggestions for those?

K

 

[Bountied]

Thanks for all of the replies guys. For this first AR10 I’m just looking for a reliable factory offering, not a build. Any suggestions for those?

K

M&P 10

 

[4g64loser]

Thanks for all of the replies guys. For this first AR10 I’m just looking for a reliable factory offering, not a build. Any suggestions for those?

K

Daniel Defense DD5v3

I have a gently used DD5v3 rifle I want to trade for a higher end 556 rifle. Prefer 13.7-14.5 rifle but may consider others. It has a geiselle trigger, Magpul UBR stock, lantac dragon keymount muzzle device, Magpul MOE+ grip. Does require an FFL transfer.

www.mdshooters.com

I don't know the member posting but this is one of several 308 ar pattern guns in the classifies here.

I've bought and sold quite a few things here and had generally positive experience doing so.

 

[TI-tick]

There are 3 on Gunbroker right now. Not sure what they normally list for. But, these seem to be pricey.

Hard pass on second hand and at those prices.

PWS strives to evolve. Their AR-15's are bad assed.
But it's been at least 2 years since they had a 308 on the market.
They recently brought out a silencer so maybe they are going in that direction; a la muzzle devices.

IDK what they are doing with 308.
I emailed them years ago and was told to stand by.
Long wait sucks.

 

[4g64loser]

Hard pass on second hand and at those prices.

PWS strives to evolve. Their AR-15's are bad assed.
But it's been at least 2 years since they had a 308 on the market.
They recently brought out a silencer so maybe they are going in that direction; a la muzzle devices.

IDK what they are doing with 308.
I emailed them years ago and was told to stand by.
Long wait sucks.

Pws doesn't advertise much and.they are a smaller shop. Also keep in mind that there are a lot of professional end users (including some foreign) that they service. POF has greater production capacity.

 

[[Kev308]]

I recently put together PA 10 gen3 308
20” stainless barrel with a Vortex 5x Prism with red dot atop.

Haven’t shot it yet but I’ll be taking it out this weekend. I’ll give an update on accuracy.

 

[Doco Overboard]

I have a Windham 308.
Works good on sika deers with core lockts for back in those piney murky places.
It's been some time since I used it last.
You have to be aware, not to ride the charging handle down and use the forward assist after a long walk and its cold out.
Otherwise its good in a boat and going through the brush and cripples with that short barrel.

 

[Sirex]

I have a M&P 10 and like it. I like the ambi controls, it's reasonably accurate, but it launches the brass into the next county over. It has some proprietary parts, so upgrading would be more complicated. It's evidently DPMS pattern but if you wanted to swap the barrel you'd have to change the BCG too from what I have read.

I have been very interested in the Ruger SFAR, but seen some videos where they had some issues, so I am going to wait a bit and see if they work the bugs out.

 

[4g64loser]

I have a M&P 10 and like it. I like the ambi controls, it's reasonably accurate, but it launches the brass into the next county over. It has some proprietary parts, so upgrading would be more complicated. It's evidently DPMS pattern but if you wanted to swap the barrel you'd have to change the BCG too from what I have read.

I have been very interested in the Ruger SFAR, but seen some videos where they had some issues, so I am going to wait a bit and see if they work the bugs out.

Ruger is an acronym for
Rave
Until
Gun
Experiences
Recall

I own some ruger products and like a lot of them (sr556 and sr762 were tanks). Their mark series pistols are great. Their 77/22 and 10/22 rifles are benchmarks for rimfire durability.

Some of their newer stuff seems to be their engineers using customers as beta testers. After I did a bunch of work, my first gen lcp was finally reliable. I sold it once it ran as it still wasn't fun to shoot and felt cheesy. If their sfar is having trouble, I'm going to laugh and say they should have stuck to the sr762. A buddy has an sr556 that he drilled the giggle hole in and made it a postie. It keeps chugging when most other ars are having their gas tubes replaced on the bench at MG shoots. His POF is better still but thats not a fair comparison given their respective price points.

 

[Sirex]

Ruger is an acronym for
Rave
Until
Gun
Experiences
Recall

I own some ruger products and like a lot of them (sr556 and sr762 were tanks). Their mark series pistols are great. Their 77/22 and 10/22 rifles are benchmarks for rimfire durability.

Some of their newer stuff seems to be their engineers using customers as beta testers. After I did a bunch of work, my first gen lcp was finally reliable. I sold it once it ran as it still wasn't fun to shoot and felt cheesy. If their sfar is having trouble, I'm going to laugh and say they should have stuck to the sr762. A buddy has an sr556 that he drilled the giggle hole in and made it a postie. It keeps chugging when most other ars are having their gas tubes replaced on the bench at MG shoots. His POF is better still but thats not a fair comparison given their respective price points.

The SFAR interests me because of the lighter weight nd slightly smaller frame. However, I was extremely interested in the SR762 a few years ago, just didn't have the money at the time, and then they just disappeared. I still have the gun magazines I bought with the SR762 featured in them. I'd be interested to see one up close, and how it compares to my M&P 10.

 

[4g64loser]

The SFAR interests me because of the lighter weight nd slightly smaller frame. However, I was extremely interested in the SR762 a few years ago, just didn't have the money at the time, and then they just disappeared. I still have the gun magazines I bought with the SR762 featured in them. I'd be interested to see one up close, and how it compares to my M&P 10.

It's bigger and chunkier. Shoots about the same. Like most factory guns, all the examples I've scoped have the port drilled through a land or land edge

If I want a large frame ar done right, I will call Drew at WAR or Louis Wood at LBW. Shot work on that platform from both shops and been impressed. For a blaster it's still PWS or POF. I am actually eyeballing a small frame pws mk116 or m114 mod2 currently.

 

[calicojack]

It's bigger and chunkier. Shoots about the same. Like most factory guns, all the examples I've scoped have the port drilled through a land or land edge

If I want a large frame ar done right, I will call Drew at WAR or Louis Wood at LBW. Shot work on that platform from both shops and been impressed. For a blaster it's still PWS or POF. I am actually eyeballing a small frame pws mk116 or m114 mod2 currently.

I handled a POF at Hannover Armory and was very impressed. Oddly enough I have zero AR10 rifles - maybe one day. I like the intermediate calibers better for a gas gun. Notable exceptions; Garand and G3 clones.

 

[inkd]

Thanks for all of the replies guys. For this first AR10 I’m just looking for a reliable factory offering, not a build. Any suggestions for those?

K

I would give this one serious consideration.

Aero AR-10 M5

Aero Precision M5 with upgrades (UPDATE)

www.mdshooters.com

I have a friend who shot the hell out of his POF .308 before he got more into the long range bolt rifles. He never had any complaints on it.

Personally, I am not a fan of piston guns. But, from what I can tell about his posts, 4g64loser seems to be a pretty serious shooter and would definitely consider his experiences in making a choice.

 

[alucard0822]

Have built a few, they can be awesome or jam on everything depending on component selection. I ONLY build with Armalite AR10 spec rifle or carbine buffer setups(A5 tube, H3 buffer) and it runs in most without much issue. Works in Armalite or DPMS pattern rifles. Gas port pressures can vary wildly with ammo selection. M80 will run fine with AR10 spec buffers, but commercial 308 will usually be way overgassed, and will need a good AGB to run well.

The weight adds up fast, and it's really easy to have a 10lb+ monster that limits shooting positions. Takes some work to get under 7lbs, but a well tuned lightweight AR308/AR10 is a very versatile rifle that doesn't give up much to AR15s, but has double the power.

I've built mostly on Aero M5 receivers, and Faxon barrels. Some brands have really tight headspacing, and can jam up a little at first, ot can have loose NATO headspacing, and will beat up brass, and can be ammo sensitive accuracy wise. Maxim defense has a new DPMS pattern coming out under $2k with a mounted Vortex Strike eagle included. Maxim, DD, Armalite, SLR and a couple others are pretty solid for the money.