Smith and Wesson pre-Model 10 C&R?

[chooks9]

Is a pre-Model 10 Smith and Wesson C&R? I recently found one in a LGS and they would not sell it as C&R because "they still make them." Is this true? I know the pre-Model 10 isn't listed on the ATF list, but they still make Walther PPKs and those qualify as C&R if old enough.

 

[Boom Boom]

Pre-model 10 was made from 1946-1957. By 50-year rule, all of them are C&R. The ATF list is not and was never intended to be all-inclusive.

 

[chooks9]

Maybe I can convince him...but that's what I thought. It's looking like a lose-lose situation: I had the cash to buy something I wanted and he lost a sale.

I just want an old Smith or Colt revolver (or another C&R handgun like a PP/PPK or a Webley) and I'm having zero luck.

 

[zoostation]

Pre-model 10 was made from 1946-1957. By 50-year rule, all of them are C&R. The ATF list is not and was never intended to be all-inclusive.

This. Smith didn't start the number modeling system until 1957.

If it's a LGS in MD as far as I know the state still says C&R is not sufficient for a handgun transfer in-state. However the HQL exemption should still apply if that is the concern.

 

[chooks9]

This. Smith didn't start the number modeling system until 1957.

If it's a LGS in MD as far as I know the state still says C&R is not sufficient for a handgun transfer in-state. However the HQL exemption should still apply if that is the concern.

The HQL exemption is my point. He wasn't going to sell without an HQL.

 

[Bob A]

They still make flintlocks too.

Find another gun shop, one not run by fools.

 

[chooks9]

They still make flintlocks too.

Find another gun shop, one not run by fools.

It's too bad. I like the shop, the Pre-mod 10 was real clean, and I had the cash in-pocket.
Any other shop, it would have been $200 overpriced or I wouldn't have the cash at the time.

 

[lee2]

Is a pre-Model 10 Smith and Wesson C&R? I recently found one in a LGS and they would not sell it as C&R because "they still make them." Is this true? I know the pre-Model 10 isn't listed on the ATF list, but they still make Walther PPKs and those qualify as C&R if old enough.

Print out that 50 yr c&r regs according to atf. Print out dates of manufacture for the pre model 10 go back to the lgs. If that isn't sufficient, time to move on.

 

[Biggfoot44]

All pre Model number S&W are C&R. In this case all of them up thru 10-4 inclusive are C&R , as well as early examples of 10-5 (pencil bbl) and 10-6( hvy bbl).

To cover your bases, bring along your copy of Standard Catalogue of Smith & Wesson ( SCSW to S&W collectors) , and it will show the breakdown of shipping dates by year and sn range for all S&W.

 

[mopar92]

What gunshop? I've been thinking of buying a spinny things and has HQL.

Also it is C&R. See of they'll ship it to another LGS.

 

[StantonCree]

What gunshop? I've been thinking of buying a spinny things and has HQL.

Also it is C&R. See of they'll ship it to another LGS.

That takes the good deal out of the equation.....price + shipping + transfer. They are all over GB.

 

[mopar92]

That takes the good deal out of the equation.....price + shipping + transfer. They are all over GB.

Not really when an IP here does $25 transfers for MDS members.

 

[somd_mustangs]

SHow the shop this link:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

excerpt:

 

[Bob A]

It's too bad. I like the shop, the Pre-mod 10 was real clean, and I had the cash in-pocket.
Any other shop, it would have been $200 overpriced or I wouldn't have the cash at the time.

Yeah, I've had the same problem with some sellers on GB. Nice guns, good prices, no sale to 03FFL.

 

[swinokur]

AG ruling on out os state C&R purchases. No 77r, no 7 day wait..
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[chooks9]

I'm going to visit the FFL who has the Pre-Model 10 tomorrow. Hopefully I'll leave there after filling out paperwork...

 

[eruby]

chooks, is the shop in Maryland or outside of Maryland? Can't tell from your post, or maybe I am missing that.

 

[chooks9]

chooks, is the shop in Maryland or outside of Maryland? Can't tell from your post, or maybe I am missing that.

The shop is in MD. They don't believe the gun is C&R eligible and thus HQL-exempt even though it was made no later than 1957.

Maybe I should have been clearer in my OP. I'm not trying to buy it as C&R, just HQL exempt.

 

[A1Uni]

I'm going to visit the FFL who has the Pre-Model 10 tomorrow. Hopefully I'll leave there after filling out paperwork...

If they won't, transfer it here, we will.

 

[eruby]

The shop is in MD. They don't believe the gun is C&R eligible and thus HQL-exempt even though it was made no later than 1957.

Maybe I should have been clearer in my OP. I'm not trying to buy it as C&R, just HQL exempt.