Spark for pushing National constitutional carry?

[swamplynx]

What is HPA?


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Hearing Protection Act. Removes suppressors from the NFA.

 

[bigmancrisler]

Hearing Protection Act. Removes suppressors from the NFA.

Ohh ok, never saw it abbreviated before


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[whistlersmother]

And since the GOP didn't foolishly kill the filibuster while not having 60 seats, they had to suffer the fact that Chuck Schumer is still basically able to limit any and all Senate legislative movement to only what he wants. That hasn't changed. Without clawing back quite a few more seats (never mind the house), we're no more able to put through things like the HPA or reciprocity now than we were even when holding both houses but not 60 senate seats. Folks don't seem to understand this. Less than 60 seats means that F-in' Chucky can scuttle anything he wants to see killed.

We've had this same tired conversation before.

The (R)'s are incapable of playing hardball with Chuckie.

 

[Occam]

We've had this same tired conversation before.

The (R)'s are incapable of playing hardball with Chuckie.

Yes, it's a tiresome topic. Math pretty much always is.

 

[whistlersmother]

Yes, it's a tiresome topic. Math pretty much always is.

but politics isn't math.

 

[Occam]

but politics isn't math.

Politics doesn't change the fact that 60 is a bigger number than 54. When the opposing party sees 100% obstruction as a strategic imperative (as the GOP has themselves seen it, when in the minority) it IS about the math, full stop.

 

[whistlersmother]

Politics doesn't change the fact that 60 is a bigger number than 54. When the opposing party sees 100% obstruction as a strategic imperative (as the GOP has themselves seen it, when in the minority) it IS about the math, full stop.

And $25 mil in pork projects for select districts buys a lot of grease for those objections...

Or a very plumb job for a senator's kid at a company owned by a friend.

Face it, had the (R)'s wanted it and weren't so incompetent, they could have gotten it.

 

[Occam]

You’re actually backing Dem initiatives and pork extortion measured only in tens of millions or some back room job arrangements? Do you understand how much of the party people like Bloomberg totally fund? That’s what you’d have to overcome: a party that’s relying on him to do things like keep Virginia’s state house in D hands (and similar stuff all around the country). You’re not going to combat that with a little corrupt pork in the name of legislation that a major D sugar daddy tells them will turn off that spigot.

 

[Biggfoot44]

It's very unlikely , and much more likely to go the other way . Not because of Federalism issues, but political reality .

The Federalism vs State's Rights thing has long been a dead horse , and theres been a metric butt ton of overreaching Federal Laws/ mandates since at least the New Deal era . Establishing National Con Carry would be way more Constitutionally complient than huge existing segments of federal and state governments . But politically nevah gonna happen .

 

[OLM-Medic]

If the right were to retake both house come November do you think they would make a push for it? I personally think with recent events they might.


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Not a chance.

The republican party is worthless, unless one day we get some real fearless leaders in there.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

Not a chance.

The republican party is worthless, unless one day we get some real fearless leaders in there.

True Dat! There needs to be a Republican Party as dedicated to confirming and protecting the Constitution as the Democrats are to overriding and overcoming it.

 

[whistlersmother]

You’re actually backing Dem initiatives and pork extortion measured only in tens of millions or some back room job arrangements? Do you understand how much of the party people like Bloomberg totally fund? That’s what you’d have to overcome: a party that’s relying on him to do things like keep Virginia’s state house in D hands (and similar stuff all around the country). You’re not going to combat that with a little corrupt pork in the name of legislation that a major D sugar daddy tells them will turn off that spigot.

We will not agree.

 

[hosspower]

True Dat! There needs to be a Republican Party as dedicated to confirming and protecting the Constitution as the Democrats are to overriding and overcoming it.

Well said!

 

[welder516]

Too many puzzy Republicans , or politicians that have no balls . I want to see more Constructionist as our leaders that take no chit from anyone SD Governor a perfect example on what a leader is to do . She has more balls then most of the GOP and i would vote her president over Trump and that is for real .


But folks there will be no National Carry thingy for any of us "ever"

 

[Occam]

We will not agree.

We may not agree, but we can be specific about why. I'm being as specific as I can be about how not having a filibuster-proof majority is a show stopper, and especially on matters where one of the D's major party-wide funding sources says there shall be zero movement on legislation like we're talking about, or else Chuck and Nancy will have to explain to hundreds of D candidates at every level of governance why they're burning that bridge. You're saying a bit of pork and an internship job gets around that. If we don't agree, it's not because both takes on this are equally based in reality.

 

[ToolAA]

Politics doesn't change the fact that 60 is a bigger number than 54. When the opposing party sees 100% obstruction as a strategic imperative (as the GOP has themselves seen it, when in the minority) it IS about the math, full stop.

My takeaway is that in the past deals have been made for one side to gain ground on an issue. What deals would or could have been made to sway 6 democrat senators to vote for any 2A preservation laws. I don’t know, but I suspect the bigger issue is that there may have been more than 6 republicans senators who wouldn’t support the effort either, and for this reason were better off not even having to expose their lack of support.

My guess the math is more likely 40 senators in total at most that would actually support CC.

 

[PJS]

A national carry permit? Not likely.

States being required to recognize other states' permits/licenses? Maybe someday. The 19th amendment seems to be in favor. States recognize other states drivers licenses. But states don't recognize professional licenses from other states (like a real estate license). Using the argument against national reciprocity of professional licensing, there are many state specific issues a licensee needs to know. Real estate is a great example of this. Just because I'm licensed in MD doesn't mean I know anything about VA real estate regulations, and it's reasonable for VA to have a set of standards that differ from MD. I think there's an argument to be made there because states have so many different gun regulations.

(I don't like it, I don't think you should need permission from the government to carry a gun, but this is the world we're in.)

 

[RoadDawg]

A national carry permit? Not likely.

States being required to recognize other states' permits/licenses? Maybe someday. The 19th amendment seems to be in favor. States recognize other states drivers licenses. But states don't recognize professional licenses from other states (like a real estate license). Using the argument against national reciprocity of professional licensing, there are many state specific issues a licensee needs to know. Real estate is a great example of this. Just because I'm licensed in MD doesn't mean I know anything about VA real estate regulations, and it's reasonable for VA to have a set of standards that differ from MD. I think there's an argument to be made there because states have so many different gun regulations.

(I don't like it, I don't think you should need permission from the government to carry a gun, but this is the world we're in.)

National Constitutional Carry... should NEVER involve any "permitting process".

Not EVER.

To do so would grant a federal agency power which is NOT given to them in the 2A.

Constitutional Carry should simply mean that the sole carry permit for every law abiding citizen... IS the 2A

 

[Harrys]

I’m not sure if this has been talked about in the Kenosha thread or not, but what do you guys think about this (the Kyle Rittenhouse self defense shooting) possibly being what pushes them to pass national constitutional carry laws?


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National carry will happen when woodpeckers have rubber beaks or when white black birds have green butt holes.

 

[Applehd]

National carry will happen when woodpeckers have rubber beaks or when white black birds have green butt holes.

Put down the 'shrooms...