Study complains gun owners are secretive about ownership

[Bob A]

If the young lady were to ask me if I owned guns I may reply with a question such as “ What color are your favorite dildos?” Also “ How many and what size dildo do you prefer?”

Maybe she would get an education from those questions.

Guess what she's gonna think you do with those guns. I'd ask you if you lubed them with KY?

 

[308Scout]

You wouldn't say such hurtful things if you forwent eating harmless animals, and got off your butt and exercised.

Get some spandex, man, and get pumping!

 

[Sunrise]

Pictured above; someone about to light up their own azz!

Agreed. JFC....

 

[Biggfoot44]

My first thought on seeing this study is: No sh_t, Sherlock. I wouldn't answer much of anything asked in polls or by strangers.

Not just strangers . but they admit they want to find you to harass you further , and help politicians to infringe on you .

 

[Troublesbrewin]

Guess what she's gonna think you do with those guns. I'd ask you of you lubed them with KY?

I believe you may know what I might suggest you do with yours.

By the way I might just deny owning or ever even shooting a gun to the nice liberal hoe.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

My wife became a new/1st time gun owner today!

First one officially hers.

Mine don’t count.

Pictured above; someone about to light up their own azz!

If Md had its way and I am not sure Annapolis didn't do it, they wanted you to have to go thru an FFL if your wife wanted to use your handgun or borrow your hunting rifle etc.

 

[Biggfoot44]

They tried .

 

[Baldheaded]

ANYTHING YOU DO OR SAY MAY BE HELD AGAINST YOU!

 

[Bob A]

I believe you may know what I might suggest you do with yours.

By the way I might just deny owning or ever even shooting a gun to the nice liberal hoe.

Now, now. I was merely placing myself in the hypothetical position of that nice liberal hoe.

 

[Troublesbrewin]

No problem Bob, I suggest that to most people…

 

[Troublesbrewin]

The researcher seems to have an unhealthy disposition regarding firearms and suicide. Most of her papers are on these topics. There must have been some traumatic experience ……maybe a boating incident on the bay.

Rutgers - New Jersey Gun Research

 

[sxs]

Not just strangers . but they admit they want to find you to harass you further , and help politicians to infringe on you .

 

[K31]

I apologize that the quotes below all appear to come from Bob A when in fact they are the material he quoted. This is just some consequence of the forum software that adds his name each time the quoted material is split and I can't delete it.

In a recent study by Rutgers U in NJ, researchers find that gun owners, especially those new to guns, are reluctant to divulge information regarding gun ownership. In New Jersey, of all places. What did they expect?

Personally, I'm pleased with the expansion, and I find it refreshing that the new owners are distrustful of the media, researchers, and the government. Maybe they're brighter than the authorities give them credit for being.

At any rate, the article is quoted below. Take from it what you will.

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Researchers report that many gun owners, especially newer ones, falsely deny owning guns.​

J.D. Tuccille | 7.5.2023 7:00 AM

Cool research. Respondents respond negatively to a question and researchers say they are liars. Science! Science! Science!

Believe it or not, people are reluctant to tell total strangers about their potentially controversial activities.

I'm shocked! shocked!

In particular, Rutgers University researchers say, gun ownership is something many Americans decline to reveal when questioned by people they don't know. That's especially true of women and minorities newly among the ranks of gun owners amidst the chaos of recent years.

Wait, accusing women and minorities of lying? Those racist and misogynistic researchers!

Academics are unhappy that privacy-minded respondents impair their understanding of the world we live in,

[I wipe away a tear]

but such evasion is an inevitable consequence of decades of fiery debate and punitive gun policies.

No, such self preservation is the inevitable consequence of lying and disingenuous assurances of @sshole politicians.

Fibbing to Nosy Strangers​

"Some individuals are falsely denying firearm ownership, resulting in research not accurately

"Falsely denying" isn't that the same as acknowledging? What's the problem?

capturing the experiences of all firearm owners in the U.S.," says Allison Bond, a doctoral student with Rutgers University's New Jersey Gun Violence Research Center

Oh, here's the issue, you need to question these violent guns.

and lead author of "Predicting Potential Underreporting of Firearm Ownership in a Nationally Representative Sample," published last month in Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology. "More concerningly, these individuals are not being reached with secure firearm storage messaging and firearm safety resources, which may result in them storing their firearms in an unsecure manner, which in turn increases the risk for firearm injury and death."

Oh, so this isn't "research" about firearm ownership, it's trying to provide information about safe storage "for the children".

If that's the case, why not just provide it to all of those contacted? Problem solved.

Bond frames the problem of dishonesty among survey respondents

Dishonestly, like couching making a database of firearms owners, as spreading the word about firearms safety? That kind of dishonesty?

as posing a danger to those surveyed since they don't receive proper firearm safety information. But her deeper concern is with the validity of research into firearms culture and policy in a country where experts don't have anywhere near as good a handle on the prevalence of gun ownership as they had believed.

"Experts" meaning those who speak about "the thing that goes up". And ATF bigwigs who when questioned say they are not firearm experts, those experts?

It should be emphasized that the report authors didn't conclusively identify anybody who denied gun ownership as a gun owner.

So, all this talk of "researchers" claiming respondents are "falsely denying" is a bunch of horseshit. Who could have known?

Instead, the report dealt in probabilities, with the researchers building profiles of confirmed gun owners. They then applied the profiles across their sample of 3,500 respondents to estimate who was likely fibbing about not owning guns. The results depend on the probability threshold applied, but they came up with 1,206 confirmed owners, between 1,243 and 2,059 non-owners, and between 220 and 1,036 potential but secretive owners lying about their status.

Wow, just wow. They admit they have not one confirmed instance of someone "falsely denying" but yet they can come up with a percentage to apply to others. Great. so I think 50% of people I questioned are secretly alien lizard people because some few number when asked, said they are alien lizard people. Look at me! I'm doing science!

"It may be that a percentage of firearm owners are concerned that their information will be leaked and the government will take their firearms or that researchers who are from universities that are typically seen as liberal and anti-firearm access will paint firearm owners in a bad light," the authors allowed. They also speculated that many respondents falsely denying owning guns may come from communities that are traditionally unfriendly to gun ownership. That's an interesting possibility considering that nearly half of all those designated as potential gun owners are unmarried urban women of color. In fact, as the study points out, many new gun owners are women and minorities.

More claims of dishonesty about women and people of color. Next, these bigots will accuse trans people of being liars.

Gun Owners Look Like Everybody​

"An estimated 2.9% of U.S. adults (7.5 million) became new gun owners from 1 January 2019 to 26 April 2021. Most (5.4 million) had lived in homes without guns," according to a separate study published last year in the Annals of Internal Medicine. "Approximately half of all new gun owners were female (50% in 2019 and 47% in 2020 to 2021), 20% were Black (21% in 2019 and in 2020–2021), and 20% were Hispanic (20% in 2019 and 19% in 2020–2021)."

So, where did these medicos get their numbers? From questions on medical intake forms? Thanks for sharing my personal information doc. Oh, and don't expect any support when you whine that you can't do medicine.

Firearms "are owned by roughly one in five U.S. adults and can be found in approximately one of three U.S. households," wrote the authors of a 2015 analysis of results from the National Firearms Survey, published in 2015 in the Russell Sage Foundation Journal of the Social Sciences. "Between 2004 and today, we know that the proportion of adults who personally own firearms (and the proportion who live in households with guns) has continued to decline, modestly but steadily, largely because of a decline in personal gun ownership by men." They estimated 265 million firearms in private American hands.
But in 2021, Pew Research reported: "Four-in-ten U.S. adults say they live in a household with a gun, including 30% who say they personally own one." And Gallup reported in 2020 that "thirty-two percent of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun, while a larger percentage, 44%, report living in a gun household." Switzerland's well-respected Small Arms Survey put the number of guns in private American hands at over 393 million in 2018.
Recent years have seen a surge in gun sales, spurred by rioting, social disorder, and political turmoil. Given that many of these gun buyers are first-time owners, it's apparent that firearm ownership is becoming more widespread and being enjoyed by Americans who might have resisted the idea in the past. These new owners are even more suspicious of scrutiny than their predecessors in the already privacy-minded gun-owning community.
"Our results highlight the potential that several groups, particularly women and individuals living in urban environments, may be prone to falsely denying firearm ownership," adds the Rutgers report.
Academic researchers and policymakers who draw from their work clearly regret such opacity. But they should cast the blame not on gun owners, but on the activists and politicians who vilified the exercise of self-defense rights and who drove growing numbers of Americans to evade scrutiny.

Blah, blah, blah, we say we don't have the numbers but we have the non-numbers and state trends based on the non-numbers.

 

[mpollan1]

Hmmm, how did they come to know that these denials were false?

 

[Boats]

Not just strangers . but they admit they want to find you to harass you further , and help politicians to infringe on you .

Yep.

 

[cantstop]

Hmmm, how did they come to know that these denials were false?

They probably were only surveying folks who were printing.

 

[K31]

Hmmm, how did they come to know that these denials were false?

They didn't. See my post above. The 11th quote.

 

[Alan3413]

In other news: water is wet

 

[eruby]

What are these 'guns' of which you speak

 

[Doctor_M]

I do solemnly swear that guns are icky.