VICTORY IN PALMER!!!!

[Bafflingbs]

Do District residents even know who they vote for??

No! They're mostly all idiots!

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

No! They're are all idiots!

It would certainly appear that way from the folks they voted in.

 

[jbrown50]

No! They're are all idiots!

I don't think they're all idiots. Just like in Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, etc. the freedom minded people are simply outnumbered.

 

[Ack Ack]

I don't think they're all idiots. Just like in Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, etc. the freedom minded people are simply outnumbered.

Thanks for sticking up for those of us in DC! While I'm sure I qualify as an idiot, it's probably not for reasons related to this post. The sad truth is that in DC, there are exactly ZERO pro-2A candidates to vote for. We have to rely on the courts to preserve our rights. Until now, that's been a losing battle, but things are certainly looking up lately...

 

[Inigoes]

Thanks for sticking up for those of us in DC! While I'm sure I qualify as an idiot, it's probably not for reasons related to this post. The sad truth is that in DC, there are exactly ZERO pro-2A candidates to vote for. We have to rely on the courts to preserve our rights. Until now, that's been a losing battle, but things are certainly looking up lately...

Actually there are where they are needed. They belong to Congress.

It would only be natural for the NRA to work the politicians while SAF fights in court.

 

[Bafflingbs]

I don't think they're all idiots. Just like in Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Illinois, California, etc. the freedom minded people are simply outnumbered.

You are, of course, absolutely correct...

Thanks for sticking up for those of us in DC! While I'm sure I qualify as an idiot, it's probably not for reasons related to this post. The sad truth is that in DC, there are exactly ZERO pro-2A candidates to vote for. We have to rely on the courts to preserve our rights. Until now, that's been a losing battle, but things are certainly looking up lately...

As a Marylander, I should know better.

 

[ryan_j]

NJ has a few issues. One is that yes, we are outnumbered. But it's quality AND quantity. Often prior to elections in big cities like Newark and JC people go around with bullhorns saying X candidate is a racist so vote for Y. And believe it or not, it works.

NJ is also a heavily union state. People often would vote how their union says to. Can't blame them, the union helps put food on the table.

We also have weak GOPers like Chris Christie who align themselves with democrats to get elected. Problem is that the democrats get elected too and the Governor has little power.

 

[Ack Ack]

You are, of course, absolutely correct...



As a Marylander, I should know better.

No need to apologize, I fully understand how the remark was intended. And, as a general characterization of the voter base in DC, it's mostly true.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The DC politicians might have personality clashes , and might differ on whom they are corruptly beholden to , but on the issues we would care about there is no difference between any of the incumbents or any of the challengers.

 

[leavnalegacy]

Everyone involved should be on their best behavior. This is in Congress' front yard.

Stay classy everyone.

This^^^

 

[krucam]

The squabbling over the legal fees begins, also SAF/Gura file a Notice of Supplemental Authority covering the Binderup v Holder win in PA District.

09/25/2014 68 Consent MOTION to Stay Briefing on Attorney Fees by DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, CATHY L. LANIER (Attachments: # 1 Text of Proposed Order)(Saindon, Andrew) (Entered: 09/25/2014)

09/25/2014 69 ORDER: Granting Defendant's # 68 Consent Motion to Stay Briefing on Attorney Fees. Signed by Judge Frederick J. Scullin, Jr. on 9/25/2014. (Scullin, Frederick) (Entered: 09/25/2014)

09/26/2014 70 NOTICE OF SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORITY by GEORGE LYON, AMY MCVEY, TOM G. PALMER, EDWARD RAYMOND, SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION, INC. (Attachments: # 1 Exhibit A: Binderup v. Holder)(Gura, Alan) (Entered: 09/26/2014)

This Supplemental Authority (attached) was submitted primarily to stem the tide of the 2A 2-Step Means End Analysis, which many other Courts have adopted and the DC Defendants are saying Judge Scullin didn't use, hoping to support their Motion for Reconsideration.

The PA District ruling in Binderup works towards that end of negating the 2-Step approach.

 

[DC-W]

Thanks for that update. I need to brush up on my legalieze. That was hard to read, lol

 

[Mr H]

No! They're mostly all idiots!

And some more from Yvette Alexander...

http://www.ammoland.com/2014/09/d-c...-confidentiality-of-gun-owners/#axzz3EngPn3vf

 

[pitpawten]

The squabbling over the legal fees begins, also SAF/Gura file a Notice of Supplemental Authority covering the Binderup v Holder win in PA District.



This Supplemental Authority (attached) was submitted primarily to stem the tide of the 2A 2-Step Means End Analysis, which many other Courts have adopted and the DC Defendants are saying Judge Scullin didn't use, hoping to support their Motion for Reconsideration.

The PA District ruling in Binderup works towards that end of negating the 2-Step approach.

There is certainly some industry jargon here, but its pretty straightforwardly cuts off the Districts play at the knees...before it is even made

The question that screams in my mind is, what if Gura hadn't filed this?

It seems to me like the burden of proof is on Gura fulltime and he is having to keep everyone fighting fair. At what point does/should the Judge step in to play the voice of reason and make this argument himself?

 

[L0gic]

Since this seems to main thread on this topic, I'll post this here:

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/1...ks-judge-to-block-new-d-c-gun-law-107720.html

Summary: Requiring a law abiding citizen to provide G&S to obtain a carry permit in D.C. should be unconstitutional.


Well I'll just grab some of this



and take a seat at the front

 

[press1280]

Article references a filing by Gura on Tuesday, the internet archive reads: MOTION for Permanent Injunction by GEORGE LYON, AMY MCVEY, TOM G. PALMER, EDWARD RAYMOND, SECOND AMENDMENT FOUNDATION, INC. (Attachments: # 1 Memorandum in Support, # 2 Exhibit A, Enrolled Original D.C. Bill B20-0926, # 3 Text of Proposed Order)(Gura, Alan) (Entered: 10/02/2014)

Can't access the filing though.

 

[fightinbluhen51]

Paging Krucam or Al! Pacer users please!!!

 

[GTOGUNNER]

First time up loading a doc.

These 3 items under doc71 are now available here.
http://ia902305.us.archive.org/14/items/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887/gov.uscourts.dcd.137887.docket.html

 

[Mr H]

In glancing, do I see that Gura is saying that if the Court allows this, then they are just as incorrect as CA4 in Woollard?

Seems odd...

 

[GTOGUNNER]

In glancing, do I see that Gura is saying that if the Court allows this, then they are just as incorrect as CA4 in Woollard?

Seems odd...

From what I get, is that DC is just rehashing the law the way it was when this case first started. That law was apparently changed in 2009.