Visiting MD, ok to bring AR’s for range?

[04RWon]

So the woman and I are coming up for a weekend visit. The weekend is mainly consisting of firearms related activity. Gunshow and range day with family who has just gotten his first AR’s. His BRD is really bad, and hes in need of help.

So i read confusing things about visiting and bringing a couple rifles with us. I heard that even though Im free from Md clutches any evil rifles would have to be owned prior to 2013? As in anything Ive got since in my home state, couldnt cross in to marylandinistan? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[danb]

If you owned it prior to 2013-> ok

if you owned it after 2013, don't bring a rifle with a banned configuration (that is, barrel for AR must be HBAR), etc.

 

[04RWon]

So even though its not staying, its true that a post 2013 cant come in, unless its an hbar. Jeezzzz. Some you cant even see the barrel but they arent marked as an hbar or anything on the receivers. In fact they are spikes lowers and i don’t believe spikes even makes an hbar or md compliant.

 

[danb]

You are looking at this all wrong. Time for a new upper!

I googled it, spikes does sell a 20" HBAR barrel btw.

 

[04RWon]

Ahhh i see what you mean lol. Good point, i can swap stock, trigger quickly so yeah not a big deal. Good point. Not even thinking honestly lol

 

[jeffie7]

Does Maryland have access to sales data from other states? I was under the impression that it was ok to transport/use at a range whatever guns you like, as long as you do not live and store the guns in MD.

 

[Melnic]

FYI cut off is Oct 1 2013

I heard of an arrest in OC for a DE person a few years ago but don’t know if there was a conviction or plea deal. He was stopped for other reasons.




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[04RWon]

Does Maryland have access to sales data from other states? I was under the impression that it was ok to transport/use at a range whatever guns you like, as long as you do not live and store the guns in MD.

Yeah i wasnt sure how they would know. Unless running the serial number gives them a manufacture date.

FYI cut off is Oct 1 2013

I heard of an arrest in OC for a DE person a few years ago but don’t know if there was a conviction or plea deal. He was stopped for other reasons.




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Sadly because we have out of state plate, i feel like getting pulled over is always a huge possibility. After that case years ago of the florida guy who got pulled over by the transit.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Back in '13 , the Good Guy legislators attempted to get a carve out for non-resident to attend a match, or hunting , but it got shot down in Committee . ( I was there .)

As each year goes by , a mfg date after 10/ 1 / 13 becomes evermore blatantly obvious on its face .

Your * simplest * option is an additional Upper with HBAR . With some internet shopping you can find basic ones for cheap ,or if you already had a precision upper on the back burner , just make sure it is also HBAR complient .

OR , if you had an Other Than .223/ 5.56 Upper on your bucket list ( .300, .350 , 6.5, 6.8, 7.62x39, etc, etc ) , this would be a good time to go ahead .

 

[danb]

What are the odds of really getting pulled over and searched... maybe 3%. Even then odds are they wont know - but thats now how it will work. They will seize the guns and then charge you, drop the charges (if they cannot prove them), but keep the gun (only for a few years if you are lucky). Of course, if they really get a bug up their ass they will sic the ATF to trace it and maybe get your bank records as well. But unless you are also transporting pot or heroin, you probably wont be a priority. Odds are you will end up nolle prosse but you will be out the gun and legal fees (and all the travel time and possibly time off work), and if you are lucky you get the gun back after a few years, if its even worth the legal fees to send all the demand letters.

A legal HBAR upper will be way cheaper and less hassle. You may not even need an upper, just a proper "marked or marketed/advertised" HBAR barrel for you existing one (maybe a gas block as well). Some manufacturers make a heavy fluted barrel that weighs approximately the same as a regular barrel but also way more accurate even when the barrel heats up.

 

[Tungsten]

If stopped, do not consent to a search of your vehicle. Otherwise I don't know of anyone who has had their rifle inspected for being an HBAR or not.

Of course with the law being so vague and nonsensical, you could always take a sharpie and write HBAR on the barrel, thus properly marking it.... I'm kidding.... maybe.

 

[John from MD]

If you keep your guns in the trunk, don't have any NRA stickers on your car, and DRIVE THE SPEED LIMIT, no one will ever know. If an officer does stop you and asks, tell him you have nothing illegal and if he presses for a search, don't allow it. If you are not being stopped for a crime, he isn't going to arrest you and will send you on your way, maybe with a citation.

If you have gun stickers on your car, NRA mags on the seat, expect to be asked about guns.

 

[lazarus]

Yeah i wasnt sure how they would know. Unless running the serial number gives them a manufacture date.



Sadly because we have out of state plate, i feel like getting pulled over is always a huge possibility. After that case years ago of the florida guy who got pulled over by the transit.

They wouldn’t know without ATF running a trace. Which isn’t trivial. You aren’t looking at having that happen unless they are also looking at slapping you with out crimes.

No rando range inspections or anything like that.

HOWEVER, yes, having out of state plates likely puts you in a much riskier position and remember it is a crime to lie to police. So you can assert your right to remain silent and make the officer suspicious if they ask you when you bought the rifle and possibly trigger someone with a bad day or no recent arrests to ask for a trace, or you can be honest and get arrested.

IMHO, not worth the risk.

Don’t bring it in to the state (beyond not advocating for breaking the law).

 

[lazarus]

What are the odds of really getting pulled over and searched... maybe 3%. Even then odds are they wont know - but thats now how it will work. They will seize the guns and then charge you, drop the charges (if they cannot prove them), but keep the gun (only for a few years if you are lucky). Of course, if they really get a bug up their ass they will sic the ATF to trace it and maybe get your bank records as well. But unless you are also transporting pot or heroin, you probably wont be a priority. Odds are you will end up nolle prosse but you will be out the gun and legal fees (and all the travel time and possibly time off work), and if you are lucky you get the gun back after a few years, if its even worth the legal fees to send all the demand letters.

A legal HBAR upper will be way cheaper and less hassle. You may not even need an upper, just a proper "marked or marketed/advertised" HBAR barrel for you existing one (maybe a gas block as well). Some manufacturers make a heavy fluted barrel that weighs approximately the same as a regular barrel but also way more accurate even when the barrel heats up.

The fluted HBAR barrels I’ve weighed tip the scales at almost exactly what a medium profile barrel do. Not as light as an M4 or pencil barrel, but for a 16”, it’s a good 4oz lighter. For a 20” it’s about 5oz lighter. Would be slightly stiffer than a medium profile, heat up about as fast as a medium profile, but dissipate heat a lot faster than any profile barrel (way more surface area).

It annoys the piss out of me, the MD law, but it isn’t like they require varminter profiles with 3lb featureless muzzle devices. Building a 5lbs AR would be fun. As it stands my 16” fluted HBAR with red dot is 6lbs 5oz with sling and light. I have a few part swaps planned the next couple of years that’ll likely take it to about 6lbs even.

Now my 20” regular HBAR barreled rifle is 8lbs 15oz with 3-9x40 scope and sling ...

But it’s a bench gun. I do have plans to swap the barrel for a fluted HBAR (have it sitting in my safe) and maybe swap the handguard for a lighter one. That’ll probably get it close to 8 1/2. Probably not going to go nuts on trying for all of the other really light parts, which might shed another half a pound, but probably cost me $300+ to give no functionality other than a few ounces lighter.

 

[Doctor_M]

It is for the children, don't you know.

 

[04RWon]

Well if I use a lower obtained prior to 2013 it doesnt matter whats on it right(non nfa)? I still have plenty of options from back in the days of “mild freedom” when i lived behind enemy lines.

Florida plates means probably a target. Hell, im always waiting to get pulled over just because we dont have front plates.

 

[mac1_131]

Correct. If you owned it pre-2013 you can bring it. How anyone would ever know is anybody's guess.

 

[04RWon]

Correct. If you owned it pre-2013 you can bring it. How anyone would ever know is anybody's guess.

I gotcha. Normally i dont care but im working on some things down here that I want to minimize chances of messing up. I guess by that logic not bringing anything but i refuse tk give in to tyranny lol.

 

[mac1_131]

I gotcha. Normally i dont care but im working on some things down here that I want to minimize chances of messing up. I guess by that logic not bringing anything but i refuse tk give in to tyranny lol.

Don't give in! If you do, they win. In spite of some stupid laws, we still have a robust shooting community here in MD. There are worse states.

 

[danb]

The fluted HBAR barrels I’ve weighed tip the scales at almost exactly what a medium profile barrel do. Not as light as an M4 or pencil barrel, but for a 16”, it’s a good 4oz lighter. For a 20” it’s about 5oz lighter. Would be slightly stiffer than a medium profile, heat up about as fast as a medium profile, but dissipate heat a lot faster than any profile barrel (way more surface area).

It annoys the piss out of me, the MD law, but it isn’t like they require varminter profiles with 3lb featureless muzzle devices. Building a 5lbs AR would be fun. As it stands my 16” fluted HBAR with red dot is 6lbs 5oz with sling and light. I have a few part swaps planned the next couple of years that’ll likely take it to about 6lbs even.

Now my 20” regular HBAR barreled rifle is 8lbs 15oz with 3-9x40 scope and sling ...

But it’s a bench gun. I do have plans to swap the barrel for a fluted HBAR (have it sitting in my safe) and maybe swap the handguard for a lighter one. That’ll probably get it close to 8 1/2. Probably not going to go nuts on trying for all of the other really light parts, which might shed another half a pound, but probably cost me $300+ to give no functionality other than a few ounces lighter.

My fluted HBAR comes in at 6lbs 5 oz with grip and accessories, 7bs 10 oz with my 1-4 scope. Mostly I have heavy accessories so I could shave 8oz easily. It is by far the lightest rifle I see on the 3 gun table.

Pretty sure my HK MR556 tops 8 1/2 lbs. A few lbs does make a difference but honestly people who complain about a few lbs probably need to join a gym.