Wave of gun arrests on Capitol Hill, including for a gun in baby stroller, as tourists return

[Sunrise]

Wave of gun arrests on Capitol Hill, including for a gun in baby stroller, as tourists return

CBS News' review found the people arrested include an Iowa man who was accused of carrying a gun in a bag attached to the baby stroller.

www.cbsnews.com

Some of these people. Wow.

On Monday, a 43-year-old Texas man was stopped while carrying a semiautomatic handgun at an entrance to the U.S. Capitol Visitor's Center. A police report said the man told officers he didn't know the gun was in his bag. He'll face a series of charges, including possession of an unregistered firearm, unlawful possession of ammunition and possession of a high-capacity feeding device.

Triple whammy!

Virginia Man:

"Can I just leave?"

No. Refresher: https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/prohibited-places-carry-concealed-firearm

 

[budman93]

I have family from the south who carry everywhere and when they have come up here they just assumed their rights still applied, crazy idea, I know. We had to tell them we were glad they carried and wished they could do it here but despite a low chance of being caught the consequences are too high to risk.

 

[6-Pack]

On Wednesday, a Washington, D.C., man pleaded guilty to a criminal charge, weeks after he was stopped with a semiautomatic handgun, loaded with 9-millimeter ammunition, at a checkpoint to the Longworth House Building. The police report said the man, at first, claimed the gun belonged to his wife, before he later told officers he'd purchased the gun "on the street" for $600 to protect his family.

It is cheaper to go this route than to do it legally, let alone the waiting, even assuming a Hi-Point C9:

Purchase
Hi-Point C9 MSRP: $219
Sales Tax: $13.49
MSP Background Check Fee: $10
HQL Class (Worth a $hit): $75
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee: $50
TOTAL: $421.99 - that's just to purchase the firearm

Carry
W&C Class: $300
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee (as of now): $75
TOTAL: $429.50 - that's just to carry the firearm

So if you purchase the gun and then get a W&C, you're at $851.49 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 without a holster.

Now I know someone will say "but you can get a free HQL with a W&C permit." If we remove the additional fingerprinting fee ($54.50), HQL class ($75), and MSP HQL application fee ($50), we're still at $671.99 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 (no holster) with a "free" HQL. That's sickening and out of reach for many people.

 

[Sunrise]

I have family from the south who carry everywhere and when they have come up here they just assumed their rights still applied, crazy idea, I know. We had to tell them we were glad they carried and wished they could do it here but despite a low chance of being caught the consequences are too high to risk.

Yup, the consequences are quite severe.

There's also this to keep in mind: https://www.uscp.gov/visiting-capitol-hill/official-business/law-enforcement-personnel

NOTE: The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, H.R. 218, does not apply within Congressional Buildings or on U.S. Capitol Grounds. Therefore, retired law enforcement officers may not carry weapons on U.S. Capitol Grounds.

 

[RFBfromDE]

DC will have to open another wing to the Gulag.

 

[Sunrise]

It is cheaper to go this route than to do it legally, let alone the waiting, even assuming a Hi-Point C9:

Purchase
Hi-Point C9 MSRP: $219
Sales Tax: $13.49
MSP Background Check Fee: $10
HQL Class (Worth a $hit): $75
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee: $50
TOTAL: $421.99 - that's just to purchase the firearm

Carry
W&C Class: $300
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee (as of now): $75
TOTAL: $429.50 - that's just to carry the firearm

So if you purchase the gun and then get a W&C, you're at $851.49 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 without a holster.

Now I know someone will say "but you can get a free HQL with a W&C permit." If we remove the additional fingerprinting fee ($54.50), HQL class ($75), and MSP HQL application fee ($50), we're still at $671.99 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 (no holster) with a "free" HQL. That's sickening and out of reach for many people.

For DC: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/f... Concealed Pistols_through August 25 2017.pdf

24-2344. Pistol Carry Methods.
2344.1 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a manner that it is entirely hidden from view of the public when carried on or about a person, or when in a vehicle in such a way as it is entirely hidden from view of the public.
2344.2 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a holster on their person in a firmly secure manner that is reasonably de-signed to prevent loss, theft, or accidental discharge of the pistol.

You need to use a holster for carry in DC.

 

[Sunrise]

DC will have to open another wing to the Gulag.

I exceeded my rock breaking quota again. I got an extra scoop of gruel.

 

[Georges2nd]

For DC: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/page_content/attachments/DC Regulations for Licenses for Concealed Pistols_through August 25 2017.pdf

24-2344. Pistol Carry Methods.
2344.1 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a manner that it is entirely hidden from view of the public when carried on or about a person, or when in a vehicle in such a way as it is entirely hidden from view of the public.
2344.2 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a holster on their person in a firmly secure manner that is reasonably de-signed to prevent loss, theft, or accidental discharge of the pistol.

You need to use a holster for carry in DC.

Would a pocket holster would be OK?

 

[Mr. Ed]

So these were normal folks, presumably not intending to commit violent crimes, but just guilty of having a firearm without the proper permit, and trying to take said firearm into a prohibited place. Definitely ignorant or defiant of the law. Are the same laws applied equally to the local indigenous population who commit the same offenses?

 

[K31]

For DC: https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/page_content/attachments/DC Regulations for Licenses for Concealed Pistols_through August 25 2017.pdf

24-2344. Pistol Carry Methods.
2344.1 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a manner that it is entirely hidden from view of the public when carried on or about a person, or when in a vehicle in such a way as it is entirely hidden from view of the public.
2344.2 A licensee shall carry any pistol in a holster on their person in a firmly secure manner that is reasonably de-signed to prevent loss, theft, or accidental discharge of the pistol.

You need to use a holster for carry in DC.

So sounds like stroller-carry is good to go.

 

[HRDWRK]

Unless your names hunter!

 

[CrueChief]

So these were normal folks, presumably not intending to commit violent crimes, but just guilty of having a firearm without the proper permit, and trying to take said firearm into a prohibited place. Definitely ignorant or defiant of the law. Are the same laws applied equally to the local indigenous population who commit the same offenses?

You probably already know the answer.

 

[Crosseye Dominant]

If I remember my DC carry class correctly, at the US capitol visitors visitor center it would be illegal to carry even with a DC wear and carry permit.

 

[mpollan1]

It is cheaper to go this route than to do it legally, let alone the waiting, even assuming a Hi-Point C9:

Purchase
Hi-Point C9 MSRP: $219
Sales Tax: $13.49
MSP Background Check Fee: $10
HQL Class (Worth a $hit): $75
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee: $50
TOTAL: $421.99 - that's just to purchase the firearm

Carry
W&C Class: $300
Fingerprinting Fee: $54.50
MSP Application Fee (as of now): $75
TOTAL: $429.50 - that's just to carry the firearm

So if you purchase the gun and then get a W&C, you're at $851.49 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 without a holster.

Now I know someone will say "but you can get a free HQL with a W&C permit." If we remove the additional fingerprinting fee ($54.50), HQL class ($75), and MSP HQL application fee ($50), we're still at $671.99 to legally purchase and carry a Hi-Point C9 (no holster) with a "free" HQL. That's sickening and out of reach for many people.

Odd how no organization has taken this up and how it disproportionately affects the under privileged. Obama gave 'em phones so it only seems fitting that FJB gives 'em guns no?

 

[joppaj]

If I remember my DC carry class correctly, at the US capitol visitors visitor center it would be illegal to carry even with a DC wear and carry permit.

Your DC Carry Permit isn't valid on any Federal property.

 

[Sunrise]

Would a pocket holster would be OK?

I think it would be since it’s technically on your person, but I give DC a wide berth on things and use OWB or IWB holsters myself.