What happens to pending SBR if a ban passes?

[Habrok]

Sorry if this is already a topic somewhere.

What happens if you buy or bought a complete SBR and your forms are pending when/if a ban is passed due to all this madness? I figure maybe someone ran into this issue during the last AWB and can shed some light on the subject. Thanks.

 

[erwos]

I was wondering about that, too. The good news is that it's kinda unlikely this will happen; the last attempt at an AWB in MD had fairly generous time limits.

 

[SCARCQB]

Your SBR will have to be neutered.

meaning no evil features like pistol grips,flash hiders, threaded muzzles, folding or collasible stocks, bayonet lugs, detachable mags...blah blah.

I actually built an SBR during the last AWB.

 

[IMBLITZVT]

I guess it all depends on what is put in. Its just hard to say until you see the law...

Likely nothing. As an SBR, it will not be considered an Assault rifle by MD more than likly. Just like you can't own a Mac pistol but the SBR and MG are fine...

 

[Mobile]

I guess it all depends on what is put in. Its just hard to say until you see the law...

Likely nothing. As an SBR, it will not be considered an Assault rifle by MD more than likly. Just like you can't own a Mac pistol but the SBR and MG are fine...

Really? Well, that would be an excuse to by almost exclusively SBR's after a ban

 

[erwos]

As an SBR, it will not be considered an Assault rifle by MD more than likly. Just like you can't own a Mac pistol but the SBR and MG are fine...

I'm not sure I agree with this. The reason that you can own a Mac-11 in SBR or AOW format is that it's no longer a pistol (in the eyes of the MSP?), and the statute only prohibits semi-auto pistols. Unless the AWB language specifically exempts NFA firearms, their only protection is going to be from grandfathering. There is no magical federal NFA exemption, as anyone from a ban state can tell you.

 

[DarthZed]

Your SBR will have to be neutered.

meaning no evil features like pistol grips,flash hiders, threaded muzzles, folding or collasible stocks, bayonet lugs, detachable mags...blah blah.

I actually built an SBR during the last AWB.

If you were SBRing an existing rifle, that was grandfathered in prior to any ban; you should be able to SBR it without interference, shouldn't you? Unless legislation gets passed that forbids any further SBRs.

 

[Indiana Jones]

you stamp money goes directly to obama's third term campaign fund and the renewal of Fine-stine's CCW

 

[IMBLITZVT]

I'm not sure I agree with this. The reason that you can own a Mac-11 in SBR or AOW format is that it's no longer a pistol (in the eyes of the MSP?), and the statute only prohibits semi-auto pistols. Unless the AWB language specifically exempts NFA firearms, their only protection is going to be from grandfathering. There is no magical federal NFA exemption, as anyone from a ban state can tell you.

Yeah like I said, its how its written. As SBR is not an Assault rifle (according to MD). So if they ban Assault Rifles, just like they have Assault Pistols... I think my logic is ok that it may not cover SBRs or MGs... until we see how its written, its really just a guess...

 

[Wayne1one]

Your SBR will have to be neutered.

meaning no evil features like pistol grips,flash hiders, threaded muzzles, folding or collasible stocks, bayonet lugs, detachable mags...blah blah.

I actually built an SBR during the last AWB.

What if you already have it purchased and you are just waiting on the stamp (form 4) not a build? I am thinking it should be fine because it was in that state prior to the ban, therefore grandfathered in!

 

[Wayne1one]

If you were SBRing an existing rifle, that was grandfathered in prior to any ban; you should be able to SBR it without interference, shouldn't you? Unless legislation gets passed that forbids any further SBRs.

I was told to get raid of SBRs it would take an act of Congress, so it is not likely!

 

[teratos]

I was told to get raid of SBRs it would take an act of Congress, so it is not likely!

Aren't there some States that do not allow you to have NFA stuff? MD could stop allowing them. Remember, you need CLEO sign off. They could stop that.

 

[Habrok]

I actually built an SBR during the last AWB.

Awesome.

Aren Remember, you need CLEO sign off. .

Not with a trust. Might be a good time to do that too if you haven't already.

Thanks for all the input guys.

 

[erwos]

Aren't there some States that do not allow you to have NFA stuff? MD could stop allowing them. Remember, you need CLEO sign off. They could stop that.

Absolutely. The good news is, SB516, the previous AWB bill, didn't try to do that. No reference at all to short-barreled rifles/shotguns.

Speaking of which, here's my analysis on SB516 and SBR/SBSs:

It is also not entirely obvious to me whether SB516 would apply to SBRs and SBSs. Maryland code references SBRs and SBSs as being handguns. SB516 spends a lot of time talking about pistols, but not handguns. Pistols are included under handguns in MD code, but the MSP has also been telling FFLs that they don't think SBRs and SBSs are pistols (which is a sensible interpretation; SBRs and SBSs are their own thing in code). Code is also clear that you can be a rifle or a handgun, but not both. Unfortunately, "assault long guns" are what the currently regulated guns are; unless the MSP suddenly starts ruling that SBRs aren't copies, that's something of a problem for everyone with an AR-15 SBR. OTOH, even that part of the law is somewhat less than obvious; it seems to imply you can't be a handgun and on that list, as it separates the two out. I think the intent of the list was to avoid SBRs, but it doesn't do it explicitly, so again, we're back to MSP interpretation.

 

[teratos]

Again, there are States which are not NFA friendly. MD could become one.

 

[ericoak]

Pretty sure you don't have to fill out Maryland Regulated Firearm Form when you buy a SBR, just the federal forms. At least it was that way for my MG, plus the MG registration.

 

[Wayne1one]

Pretty sure you don't have to fill out Maryland Regulated Firearm Form when you buy a SBR, just the federal forms. At least it was that way for my MG, plus the MG registration.

Your right, purchasing an SBR doesn't have anything to do with Maryland especially if you are using a trust!

 

[SCARCQB]

What if you already have it purchased and you are just waiting on the stamp (form 4) not a build? I am thinking it should be fine because it was in that state prior to the ban, therefore grandfathered in!

when I built one during the last AWB.. the BATFE technology branch told me that on a form 1. would constitute " new manufacturing" therefore the laws that exist at that time would apply, even with a pre- ban lower.

with that. I built one on a " Ban era lower". It had a 11.5" barrel, pinned compensator, tele stock pinned and epoxied in the mid- position( fixed) to make it AWB compliant.

 

[teratos]

when I built one during the last AWB.. the BATFE technology branch told me that on a form 1. would constitute " new manufacturing" therefore the laws that exist at that time would apply, even with a pre- ban lower.

with that. I built one on a " Ban era lower". It had a 11.5" barrel, pinned compensator, tele stock pinned and epoxied in the mid- position( fixed) to make it AWB compliant.

Ugh. I woke up next to girls in college that looked better than that rifle sounds....

 

[Wayne1one]

when I built one during the last AWB.. the BATFE technology branch told me that on a form 1. would constitute " new manufacturing" therefore the laws that exist at that time would apply, even with a pre- ban lower.

with that. I built one on a " Ban era lower". It had a 11.5" barrel, pinned compensator, tele stock pinned and epoxied in the mid- position( fixed) to make it AWB compliant.

Okay, let me make this even clearer. I have a KRISS SBR that I am waiting on the paper work for (form 4). This gun should be fine, correct?