Markp
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- Dec 22, 2008
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I disagree... Don't say anything... Leave the phone off the hook and wait to hear the sirens. Then hang up the phone, leave nothing on the recording.
Mark
What happens when you actually shoot?
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I disagree... Don't say anything... Leave the phone off the hook and wait to hear the sirens. Then hang up the phone, leave nothing on the recording.
Mark
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
Be realistic.
Call 911 first.
This isnt a movie..and you arent Rambo. Get help for the suspect.
Call 911 first.
This isnt a movie..and you arent Rambo. Get help for the suspect.
seriously. would help to know who's firearm-friendly before calling anyone.
personally if this were to ever happen to me there would be plenty of people to call both 911 and lawyers. i think i'd probably be calling my mommy. and then my landlords.
You can always call me for such needs. PM me for my contact info.(sorry, shameless plug)
Rusty its good to know we have some gun friendly lawyers around.
Picking just any lawyer is almost as bad as not having one.Name Taken
Ultimate Member
It's important and paramount to get help.
If someone broke into your house and shot them 911 needs to go.
If you fail to see how this is important you need to re-evalute things. You calling into 911 and leaving an open line might lead to a 10-15 minute dispatch time. That's 10-15 minutes you are covering a target and possibly dealing with other suspects outside who just heard someone get shot.
Call 911. Give them basic information so the right help arrives in a timely fashion. Plus 911 is likely to give you instructions so you arent standing there armed when police arrive. Again logical.
I'm not a laywer.
If someone broke into your house and shot them 911 needs to go.
If you fail to see how this is important you need to re-evalute things. You calling into 911 and leaving an open line might lead to a 10-15 minute dispatch time. That's 10-15 minutes you are covering a target and possibly dealing with other suspects outside who just heard someone get shot.
Call 911. Give them basic information so the right help arrives in a timely fashion. Plus 911 is likely to give you instructions so you arent standing there armed when police arrive. Again logical.
I'm not a laywer.
So basically if your life is in danger and you decide to shoot, it will cost you thousands and thousands of dollars and be treated as a criminal. Oh, and they probably take your firearms away.
bpSchoch
Active Member
LEO's can pipe in here, but from what I understand, when they are involved with a shooting, they are given at least a 24 hr cooling off period (after all you just potentially or actually killed a human being) before saying anything.
I've heard that a good strategy is to say that you have chest pains (you probably would anyways due to extreme stress and pumped up) and have the rescue squad take you to hospital (remember delay in speaking, get out of there (rescue squad), and have your lawyer respond for you).
Bernie
I've heard that a good strategy is to say that you have chest pains (you probably would anyways due to extreme stress and pumped up) and have the rescue squad take you to hospital (remember delay in speaking, get out of there (rescue squad), and have your lawyer respond for you).
Bernie
The Emergency services will still take their time to come visit you.
Markp
Ultimate Member
- Dec 22, 2008
- 9,392
Ummm, expecting me to have enough sympathy for the suspect to care about them would be a mistake. Anyone who would break into my house and threatens my life or my family should expect no quarter.
It's not a game and I am not there to help them once they've been shot.
Like I said, saving his life is NOT my priority. Protecting myself and my interests comes first. The "suspect" can call 911 any time they wish.
Mark
BerettaMan
Active Member
I took a criminal justice class back in college and the professor, who happened to be a retired police officer, told us that in a situation like this it is imperative that you express to the officers showing up that you felt like your life and the lives of your family were in immediate and eminent danger. I would like to think that justice would prevail and the person protecting his/her self/family would be found to be using self defense, but hey, maybe I live in a bubble.
The professor also told us that if you shoot the person in the back, the intruder turned around when you fired.
Hopefully no one will ever find themselves in a situation like this, but if we are at least we have the means to defend those we love.
The professor also told us that if you shoot the person in the back, the intruder turned around when you fired.
Hopefully no one will ever find themselves in a situation like this, but if we are at least we have the means to defend those we love.
davsco
Ultimate Member
as a matter of practice or law, does anyone know if the cops automatically take your gun (and possibly other guns even if not used in the incident) for some sort of testing or the like?
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
It's important for your defense. I personally do not care about the personal well being of someone who put me in fear of my life.
But it's much easier for your attorney to handle a case if you acted like a "normal concerned citizen" afterwards as opposed to making zero initial statements, calling a laywer before 911 (they will likely get your phone records), and not keeping people guessing with vague 911 calls.
I'll respect the time and effort you've spend regarding criminal and civil aspects of the law. But I'll have to disagree about the way your suggestions here.
But it's much easier for your attorney to handle a case if you acted like a "normal concerned citizen" afterwards as opposed to making zero initial statements, calling a laywer before 911 (they will likely get your phone records), and not keeping people guessing with vague 911 calls.
I'll respect the time and effort you've spend regarding criminal and civil aspects of the law. But I'll have to disagree about the way your suggestions here.
This. It is the moral thing to do.
But I’ll add one more thing. If you delay in calling the authorities people will think something is up. Case in point:
July 18th 1960: Senator Edward Kennedy (married) leaves a party with (unmarried) Mary Jo Kopechne. He famously drives off the bridge on Chappaquiddick Island, MA at about 12:30-12:45 AM.
After he abandons her in the car, Kennedy walks past not one, not two, not three, but four houses on his way back that have a phone. He did not stop and report the incident to authorities.
He returns to the party. He does not call the authorities.
He then returns to the scene with two friends who insist that he must call the authorities. He does not call the authorities - but promises to call the authorities upon his return to the hotel.
Kennedy testifies later that he then swam 500’ across the channel, returned to his hotel room in Edgartown – but does not call the authorities. Instead he changes clothes and goes to bed.
At 2:55 AM Kennedy goes downstairs, and speaks to the owner to complain of being awoken by a noisy party … and does not call the authorities.
7:30 AM the next morning Kennedy is up and talking with others about the winners of a sailing race the previous day. He does not call the authorities.
8:00 AM Kennedy returns to the scene of the accident with those same two friends and he makes a series of phone calls from a nearby pay phone. All were to friends asking for advice. None of the calls were to the authorities.
While still at the payphone, Kennedy learns that the body has been discovered. He does not use the pay phone to call the authorities even then.
(Mary Jo had been discovered at 8:20 AM by fishermen – who immediately contacted the authorities, who in turn had contacted professional divers. The divers discovered her body in a large trapped air pocket within the vehicle. Later testimony suggests that had the authorities been called and responded immediately after the accident, that perhaps she might have survived on the trapped air long enough to have been rescued. We’ll never know for sure of course.)
Despite that knowledge, Kennedy still delays *two more hours* until 10:00 to notify authorities – and even then only via a dictated statement to his aide Paul Markham, and only after a couple of more phone calls first at the police station!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
An extreme example to be sure, but I reminded everyone of that to illustrate how fishy it looks to not immediately call the authorities. You're not helping your credibility by the delay.
Now if you are a Democrat from Massachusetts and your name is Kennedy you can get away with stuff like this. For the rest of us chumps – I advise calling the police first so that appropriate first responders have a chance to do the right thing.
Nanook
F-notso-NG-anymore
You can always call me for such needs. PM me for my contact info.
You're already in my phone, and I hope never to make a call like that.
z_darktemplar
Member
I have a question about calling your lawyer. I know some people have a personal lawyer they know and retain but I don't have one like that. So would would finding a random criminal defense attorney be ok?
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
Right off the bat...sure. They will likely come and tell you not to say anything.
Of course once it gets time to defend you and run a trail if needed you want a respected and known attorney.
Jackson923
Hell Yeah!
Make sure to add that you were retreating when you fired your shots in defense.
Name Taken
Ultimate Member
Unless of course you werent.
You can legally justify defending yourself and approaching an enemy.
I wouldnt start adding things to any story that you think "makes it sound better" for you.
If your justified great. If it's a gray area hopefully you can articulate.
If the police get there and it isnt adding up a high qualifed re-constructionist can disaprove ALOT of things in your story.
Let's not forget the kid in the city last year. Defending himself with a sword nearly severing limbs. Did not do a minute in jail, was not arrested, and no criminal trial.
ffemtreed
Ultimate Member
if I shoot someone in my home, I am locking myself armed in the bedroom and calling 911 telling them that people just broke into my house and tried to assualt me/family. I fired some shots at them and retreated to my bedroom and locked myself in there and reload my gun in case there are others that try and harm me. I am not disarming myself until you tell me there is a policeman at my bedroom door and wants me to come out because I am a scared there are bad guys still around.
PS -- if you call 911 in a situation like this they ARE going to do everything in their power to keep you on the line.
PS -- if you call 911 in a situation like this they ARE going to do everything in their power to keep you on the line.
