Who is the maker / HBAR

[jollymon]

So you buy your lower , Do the 77r , jump the loops , Now you're set to start ,
But as I understand it's the manufacturer that is the one to say that there barrel is a HBAR , So are you the one that decides if the barrel that you plan on using is a HBAR ? As the maker you have it marked on the barrel "HBAR" .
After all isn't that what MSP is using as a benchmark , What the maker calls a HBAR ? The maker of the lower is only the maker of that "part" not the whole gun.

 

[SRD]

IIRC Colt started it with their HBAR model and the idiots in annapolis took it to mean safer.

 

[Sticky]

MSP/MD does not 'define' HBAR. The barrel used in a current build must be advertised as or marked as HBAR to be legal.

There is an accepted definition of the HBAR profile, like Colt's original profile, but MD does not define it, merely requires it be marketed as or marked as an HBAR barrel profile.

 

[Sticky]

IIRC Colt started it with their HBAR model and the idiots in annapolis took it to mean safer.

The exception was made to allow some freedom for competitive shooters, who often use the HBAR profle for accuracy at longer ranges. (or so I was led to believe.. lol)

 

[Biggfoot44]

Unless you are also an 007, engraving a preexisting bbl yourself would be deep into the grey .

 

[mopar92]

So you buy your lower , Do the 77r , jump the loops , Now you're set to start ,
But as I understand it's the manufacturer that is the one to say that there barrel is a HBAR , So are you the one that decides if the barrel that you plan on using is a HBAR ? As the maker you have it marked on the barrel "HBAR" .
After all isn't that what MSP is using as a benchmark , What the maker calls a HBAR ? The maker of the lower is only the maker of that "part" not the whole gun.

For the purposes of Federal and State law. The manufacturer of the lower is the manufacturer of the firearm. If you did not and are not in thw business of manufacturing firearms (and I don't mean milling an 80% for personal use) then you are not the manufacturer per Fed and State law.

Now for HBAR. MSP's dealer guidance merely states marked/stamped HBAR or advertised by the manufacturer as HBAR. So if you purchase the barrel you are the purchaser not the manufacturer.

You merely assemble the complete rifle/pistol/SBR/shotgun.

 

[thomfantomas]

This has to be the 100000000 thread on HBAR'S

 

[iH8DemLibz]

This has to be the 100000000 thread on HBAR'S

And we still have 2018 HBAR threads to look forward to.

 

[outrider58]

IIRC Colt started it with their HBAR model and the idiots in annapolis took it to mean safer.

SRD! Nice to hear from you!

 

[outrider58]

And we still have 2018 HBAR threads to look forward to.

Yeah, but you have to remember, newbs are entering the market every day. Newbs with the same old questions. They still deserve good information.

 

[John from MD]

Unless you are also an 007, engraving a preexisting bbl yourself would be deep into the grey .

I disagree. As a gunsmith and 001 FFL holder for many years, I built and modified many rifles and pistols. Many times I would engrave information relative to that rifle or pistol on the barrel or receiver as appropriate. It was common place and expected, after all, you wouldn't change the cartridge of a firearm without identifying what the new cartridge was would you? Neither would you leave the old cartridge on so as to create confusion.

I understand that I am speaking about gunsmiths and not gun assemblers such as many folks are today. However, they are modifying the firearm so I would think they have a duty to put what information he deems appropriate on the firearm. If I had a barrel that exceeded .750 under the hand guards, whether marked or not, I would consider it to be a heavy barrel. If I was doing the build, I would mark it as such.

Disclaimer. I shut down my gunsmithing business in 2003 so I haven't marked any barrels lately.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Give a man an answer and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to use the search function and you feed him for a lifetime

 

[outrider58]

The exception was made to allow some freedom for competitive shooters, who often use the HBAR profle for accuracy at longer ranges. (or so I was led to believe.. lol)

...and without them, ARs would have probably been banned outright in Merryland.

 

[mopar92]

Give a man an answer and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to use the search function and you feed him for a lifetime

Build a man a fire and he is warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life.

 

[outrider58]

Give a man an answer and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to use the search function and you feed him for a lifetime

I think the OP here has a pretty good idea what's going on, in this case.

...and I think I've used up my allotment of posts in this thread...

 

[Ranchero50]

So you buy your lower , Do the 77r , jump the loops , Now you're set to start ,
But as I understand it's the manufacturer that is the one to say that there barrel is a HBAR , So are you the one that decides if the barrel that you plan on using is a HBAR ? As the maker you have it marked on the barrel "HBAR" .
After all isn't that what MSP is using as a benchmark , What the maker calls a HBAR ? The maker of the lower is only the maker of that "part" not the whole gun.

Give a month or two and your answer will be legislated... You won't have to worry about anything .223, .556, 6.8, 300BO, etc anymore in any form.

 

[steves1911]

The problem I found back in 2015 when I wanted to build an "spr" was that manufacturers use a variety of terms to describe their barrel spr, mk12, bull, varmint etc but only hbar is deemed legal by the asshats in Annapolis. I contacted compass lake to inquire about what they call a "spr" profile barrel available from criterion, Douglass, Krieger or lilja. After a short conversation I placed an order for a Kreiger Barrel and Mr White assured me he had no qualms about stamping hbar on my new upper to meet the ridiculous law since said tube was over .800 under the hand guard. Point being if you know what you want is a "hbar" contact the manufacturer and see if they will provide you with documentation to verify such just in case you ever need it. It may seem excessive and a royal pita but better safe then sorry when living in a communist gulag.

 

[AlBeight]

Build a man a fire and he is warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life.

Nice. With your permission sir, I’m borrowing this one for my repertoire....