Tennessee legislature passes bill to arm teachers; leftist lose their minds

[RFBfromDE]

For years the left has displayed mastery at getting small, sometimes seemingly inconsequential, wins, then coming back later to build on those wins. We need to do the same. We forego long game progress by making the perfect the enemy of the good. We've got to remember that this is a sausage makin' business.

Do you have some kind of insider knowledge that the TNGA had to include these compromises to get it passed?

 

[Growler215]

Doesn't take that much training to stay hunkered down in a classroom and shoot an armed person who may be coming through the door.

Would probably like the teacher to verify who's coming through the door before shooting.

Also, maybe part of the training should focus on how a 5'2" 135 lb teacher keeps an enraged 6'6" 270 lb thug student from taking her gun away from her without shooting him (if possible.) Not that I would mind if he got shot in the attempt, but the lawsuit would probably bankrupt the school district.

 

[Inigoes]

Do you have some kind of insider knowledge that the TNGA had to include these compromises to get it passed?

I see this as a step for hardening the schools.

Just like after 9/11. Pilots were armed in the cockpit. IIRC, that got phased out because of the antigun agenda.

 

[Blaster229]

Would probably like the teacher to verify who's coming through the door before shooting.

Also, maybe part of the training should focus on how a 5'2" 135 lb teacher keeps an enraged 6'6" 270 lb thug student from taking her gun away from her without shooting him (if possible.) Not that I would mind if he got shot in the attempt, but the lawsuit would probably bankrupt the school district.

We are not talking about hand to hand combat/self defense or CQB out in the hallways.
I am also not talking about shooting through doors at unknown targets.
You wanna carry in the classroom? Then you need to take on a little risk and wait and see who comes through that door carrying what. But that door would be locked.
I'm not for umpteen different teachers running around in a hallway possibly shooting at each other or getting shot by responding cops, who have pretty fast response times now.

The classroom is your position of dominance, so you control it. Be happy with that.

 

[Blaster229]

I see this as a step for hardening the schools.

Just like after 9/11. Pilots were armed in the cockpit. IIRC, that got phased out because of the antigun agenda.

There are still FFDOs.

 

[Inigoes]

There are still FFDOs.

That's good to hear.

 

[BurkeM]

I'm curious howmany hours police officers in the state have to do per year in self funded job specific continuing education.

ZERO

 

[Biggfoot44]

80 hours every year?

Poor reporting , plus poor grammar.

I looked at it as plausibly be 80 initial, 40 renewal ( back door equivalence with presumably POST annual in service hours ) .

But we'd have to read the actual Final Bill .

And since it would require triple sign offs ( Head of School District, CLEO, and individual School Principal ) you'll see very little to none in any urban or suburban public schools . Will probably be mostly private and Christian schools going this route .

 

[Biggfoot44]

There are still FFDOs.

Current numbers ?

 

[Blaster229]

Current numbers ?

Enough.

 

[Biggfoot44]

I get it that the specific number is classified. But a general sense ? Closer to 10% or 1% ? Less than 1% ?

My concern is that the program " exists " , but only a token handful .

 

[Growler215]

Poor reporting , plus poor grammar.

I looked at it as plausibly be 80 initial, 40 renewal ( back door equivalence with presumably POST annual in service hours ) .

But we'd have to read the actual Final Bill .

And since it would require triple sign offs ( Head of School District, CLEO, and individual School Principal ) you'll see very little to none in any urban or suburban public schools . Will probably be mostly private and Christian schools going this route .

I seem to recall a reason Christian schools in TN might be especially interested. . .

 

[Growler215]

I get it that the specific number is classified. But a general sense ? Closer to 10% or 1% ? Less than 1% ?

My concern is that the program " exists " , but only a token handful .

Air Marshals now too. Not on every flight, but more than token numbers.

 

[4g64loser]

ZERO

I didn't want to hazard that guess without someone with better information commenting. Thank you, sir.

 

[Biggfoot44]

I seem to recall a reason Christian schools in TN might be especially interested. . .

Yeah .

But the first time a school staffer shoots a Memphis gang banger , it will make bigger national headlines .

 

[Growler215]

Yeah .

But the first time a school staffer shoots a Memphis gang banger , it will make bigger national headlines .

Never too early to start thinning the herd. . . .

But, yah, I don't feel like listening to more crying mothers whining about how their young hoodlum was "turning his life around" if it can be helped. Sometimes it can't.

I'm all for any teacher that wants to being able to have a gun at school, assuming they aren't batsh*t crazy. But maybe the ones who aren't physically capable of keeping it from being taken away from them ought to keep it in a fingerprint enabled lockbox bolted under their desk or something.

 

[hillbilly grandpa]

Do you have some kind of insider knowledge that the TNGA had to include these compromises to get it passed?

Do you have some kind of insider knowledge that an absolutist negotiating strategy has produced a long term track record as a winning approach?

 

[miles71]

Never even be discussed in Maryland

 

[smokey]

Never even be discussed in Maryland

I remember when everyone thought that about md being shall issue.

 

[smokey]

Would probably like the teacher to verify who's coming through the door before shooting.

Also, maybe part of the training should focus on how a 5'2" 135 lb teacher keeps an enraged 6'6" 270 lb thug student from taking her gun away from her without shooting him (if possible.) Not that I would mind if he got shot in the attempt, but the lawsuit would probably bankrupt the school district.

Teleport that student and teacher to a random sidewalk in the surrounding neighborhood. Would that woman be justified to shoot to stop from being beaten unconscious? Why are violent crimes suddenly okay in the school setting?

One advantage of armed and trained teachers over a lone SRO is that IF a student is able to somehow get a gun from an adult, there's likely another adult with a gun somewhere nearby to confront the student to stop the threat(this only means stopping by shooting if necessary). If a lone SRO is overpowered, the school is kind've SOL.