Trespass by Md DNR Police

[rseymorejr]

I've had several interactions with game wardens over the years. All have been positive and uneventful. The funiest one was when a female game warden checked me as I was returning to my truck from the goose blind. She wanted to check my shells and din't knw how to operate the slide release on an 870 so I had to do it for her.

 

[WESTMD]

Guess with that; there goes probable cause. No 4th amendment

Why are they putting cameras on your property?

They'd have tape on all lenses ASAP
Edit: no tape, sign that says you're trespassing in every photo they take
A lawyer would be at their bosses desk raising hell, don't care about their rights as LEO's

All I have been able to figure out is that we have a new neighbor (from Central MD, no offense, but...) He is at the end of the road and just moved in this fall and other neighbors have been saying that he is reporting every vehicle that travels up our mountain road. Now mind you this is an abandoned county road since the 70's and only property owners travel that road. I was at my property 2 weeks before deer season and when I came down off the mountain 2 State Troopers were at this new neighbors home and he pointed to my truck as I passed his house. Just seems like we had no problems for a while and now things are different.

 

[Doco Overboard]

All I have been able to figure out is that we have a new neighbor (from Central MD, no offense, but...) He is at the end of the road and just moved in this fall and other neighbors have been saying that he is reporting every vehicle that travels up our mountain road. Now mind you this is an abandoned county road since the 70's and only property owners travel that road. I was at my property 2 weeks before deer season and when I came down off the mountain 2 State Troopers were at this new neighbors home and he pointed to my truck as I passed his house. Just seems like we had no problems for a while and now things are different.

If you think its bad now, just wait till he has the county come out to clean up road killed squirrels.

 

[Art3]

I really dont want to get into details after all the disrespect, and I think some towards me, going on here. I dont know why this has always been confusing to people. Does a beat cop not have a right to come up and knock on your door to see if you know anything about the break in, in the neighborhood? They have a reason to be there. But a city cop cant take your doorbell camera and put up their own without a judge saying ok. So probably not a whole lot different. The differences in the police agencies are very minor.

That's a bit of a let down. I guess Rangering and Wardening are different anyway.

So you have one incident that was thrown out of court and that automatically means every action, inspection, citation they write is bogus and harassment, gotcha.

I'm sure somewhere there's an unhappy restaurant owner because a commercial kitchen equipment installer "ripped them off" so now that means all do.

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isn't it?

Why are they putting cameras on your property?

They'd have tape on all lenses ASAP
Edit: no tape, sign that says you're trespassing in every photo they take
A lawyer would be at their bosses desk raising hell, don't care about their rights as LEO's

If there was suspicion of illegal activity going on, I'd be all for DNR putting cameras on my property. Heck, I'd help them. But...I'd probably wouldn't take too kindly to cameras just showing up unannounced though

 

[Park ranger]

That's a bit of a let down. I guess Rangering and Wardening are different anyway.



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If there was suspicion of illegal activity going on, I'd be all for DNR putting cameras on my property. Heck, I'd help them. But...I'd probably wouldn't take too kindly to cameras just showing up unannounced though

Yep, ranger isnt LEO. Lost hikers, emergency medical providers, nature programs, building maintenance, traffic control, campgrounds, forest fire, hazardous trees, lifeguards, etc but no ticket writing. 20 years ago a asked a NRP the very question the OP wrote, and every few years after. Same answer every time.... same as MSP more or less.

As far as cameras, lots of DNR do wildlife studies. Bobcats, bears, Fisher, eagles, etc. So a DNR biologist, not a NRP ticket writer. Not that trespassing is condoned!!!

One person said green trucks with DNR logo. But they have there own triangle logo, they rarely run the department logo. Green trucks been a while too. See how confusing it can get and how half truths can get passed down over the years...

 

[2ndCharter]

A really good family friend of ours is a retired MD DNR superintendent and lives next door to my parents. I respect him greatly. My father actually saved his life a few years ago (they are next door neighbors).

Every interaction I've had with the DNR has been pretty positive. They have to cross my property on occasion to get to the adjacent marsh and they are extremely appreciative of me letting them do that and park on my property. The neighbors are d16ks and hate LEOs of all kinds so I'm the good guy.

The only weird vibe I had was once when I was fishing off a public landing with my youngest son. DNR rolls up and parks about 30' away and just stares at us for 20 minutes. Didn't get out of the car, roll down the window, say 'hi' or anything. Usually I am greeted with a pleasantry of some sort like "hey, you guys having any luck?" or something cordial as an opening.

That said, I've had probably 30 or more encounters with DNR and that's the only one that wasn't a uber professional interaction.

 

[GutPile]

Why are they putting cameras on your property?

They'd have tape on all lenses ASAP
Edit: no tape, sign that says you're trespassing in every photo they take
A lawyer would be at their bosses desk raising hell, don't care about their rights as LEO's

If its put on my property its going to be added to the camera collection. What law allows them to do that on private land ?

 

[whistlersmother]

Why are they putting cameras on your property?

They'd have tape on all lenses ASAP
Edit: no tape, sign that says you're trespassing in every photo they take
A lawyer would be at their bosses desk raising hell, don't care about their rights as LEO's

Owl pellet on the lense....

Dress like Bigfoot or goatman and run across the field of view

Fake deer snorting crack with a whale

Reprobate elf "abusing" a possium

The possibilities are endless...

 

[ADR]

That's a bit of a let down. I guess Rangering and Wardening are different anyway.



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Yeah that's pretty much what I say every time somebody lumps all of us who are LE in with whatever negative thing they can find. But, at the end of the day - Zero F#cks

 

[mauser58]

Why are they putting cameras on your property?

They'd have tape on all lenses ASAP
Edit: no tape, sign that says you're trespassing in every photo they take
A lawyer would be at their bosses desk raising hell, don't care about their rights as LEO's

Shame is the DNR Police dont need authorization to come onto your property even if it is posted. Ii know it is BS but I have heard also about incidents where others found cameras that the DNR placed on their property. You can tape the lens and they cant do much but dont take or damage camera. They usually only do this if they have a strong reason to believe that illegal activity or poaching is going on. Sounds like these police have too much spare time. They should spend their time in the woods and find real issues. I have heard that there are way too many DNR Police in Western Maryland area. I get the DNR emails and they are always handing out citations and busting people for baiting and illegal deer and bear hunting. They got a bunch recently. My son is a Wildlife officer in Tennessee. He was raised here and moved there after college and Air Force. He does not do that nonsense. He and another Warden do three counties themselves in Tennessee. They get calls and complaints and have to answer to them all day , everyday. I was talking to him on the phone last Sunday. He had three calls by the time I got off of phone for trespassing and poaching. He was driving to the call. The Maryland DNR just had over a dozen more recruits complete training and out in the field. Many are going to be stationed in Western Maryland also. .

 

[Stoveman]

So you have one incident that was thrown out of court and that automatically means every action, inspection, citation they write is bogus and harassment, gotcha.

What do you call writing thousands of dollars of bogus tickets, an accident? Oops...my pen slipped.

Yeah that's pretty much what I say every time somebody lumps all of us who are LE in with whatever negative thing they can find. But, at the end of the day - Zero F#cks

I didn't lump you in with any group. All I said was that I have personally dealt with what can only be described as harassment and that it does exist. Nowhere did I state that any and all commercial traffic enforcement officers only stop drivers to harass them.

While we were in court that day waiting for our cases to be called we watched about 7-8 before us, same cop, and three of them also had their cases dismissed. So some of them were legit, not sure what to call the others except what common sense would dictate.

 

[mauser58]

Ok, so hunting on your private property on a Sunday does not mean that the DNR will not be there to check you out. They fined my son for driving to our cabin on a Sunday evening and he had his deer rifle on the ATV and it was loaded...fine for hunting from a vehicle. This was a few years back, but they still come to our property regularly to check and harass us and they wonder why people are not hunting or fishing. This year they were on our property putting up cameras before deer season. We know this because we have our own cameras that recorded when they came on our property and when they left. They drove around our locked gate to get on the property. Then we found their cameras. We do not break any laws other then a lapse in judgement which my son was guilty of. Before the haters start on me...My father was employed by the DNR for 30 years and believe me he drilled into my brothers and I to follow all game laws and all other laws.

I am wondering if someone like a neighbor is giving the DNR Police false information . Maybe a nosy neighbor telling the DNR something. Maybe you or your family is doing alot of target shooting and the neighbors telling the DNR you are hunting in all hours or poaching. Mmust be some reason. I would tape a sign to front of Camera requesting the DNR to contact you. You need to know why they are scoping you out like they are trying to get evidence pics.

 

[GutPile]

https://www.agweb.com/article/government-cameras-hidden-private-property-welcome-open-fields
Windham insists private gates and “no trespassing” signs apply to government officials. “Otherwise the government is saying, ‘Your private land is my public property.’ Terry Rainwaters lives on his property, has a clean hunting record, yet he has to put up with wildlife officers hiding in bushes, ducking behind grass, and covertly recording his movements? By any definition, that is incredibly invasive,” Windham says.

Sounds like some budgets need to be cut since they don't have enough real work to do.

 

[Bboarder]

https://www.agweb.com/article/government-cameras-hidden-private-property-welcome-open-fields
Windham insists private gates and “no trespassing” signs apply to government officials. “Otherwise the government is saying, ‘Your private land is my public property.’ Terry Rainwaters lives on his property, has a clean hunting record, yet he has to put up with wildlife officers hiding in bushes, ducking behind grass, and covertly recording his movements? By any definition, that is incredibly invasive,” Windham says.

Sounds like some budgets need to be cut since they don't have enough real work to do.

What happens if you cut down a tree on your property and it trashes your other tree with their camera in it...

 

[rseymorejr]

Write a sign saying: "Come get your F***ing Camera"
Hold it up so a picture of the sign gets taken and sent
Cut down the camera and set it out by the road

 

[Doco Overboard]

DNR and Sheriff just snagged a couple of miscreants, a short while ago on someones hunting property I know.
The Sheriff went in and when they fled it was right to the DNR officer.

Evidently as the LE approached, they shot a deer, Seen the officers, fled and then a whole litany of infractions was the net result. Their vehicle was still onsite and they took off!

I can't believe that some morons, would decide to trespass on the Friday nearly at the end of the first week of firearms.
I guess if they busted them with some drugs or they were loaded on booze would be a better excuse than being that damned stupid.

My understanding is at this time, someone more than likely had to go back to headquarters to pick up another book for all the citations being issued.

Good Job to the DNR police and the Sheriff

 

[WESTMD]

https://www.agweb.com/article/government-cameras-hidden-private-property-welcome-open-fields
Windham insists private gates and “no trespassing” signs apply to government officials. “Otherwise the government is saying, ‘Your private land is my public property.’ Terry Rainwaters lives on his property, has a clean hunting record, yet he has to put up with wildlife officers hiding in bushes, ducking behind grass, and covertly recording his movements? By any definition, that is incredibly invasive,” Windham says.

Sounds like some budgets need to be cut since they don't have enough real work to do.

I don’t think this applies in MD. We called a deputy sheriff and he says all is legal for DNR to basically do anything they want without any probable cause on any property that they want to go on. But he did say they lose a lot of cameras.


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[GutPile]

What happens if you cut down a tree on your property and it trashes your other tree with their camera in it...

That and unless it has a tag or other info on the camera how the hell do you know its dnr property? Id just take the sd cards and smash it. Or do what the raccoons did to one of mine. They removed a strap taking it off the tree and took a dump on it.

 

[WESTMD]

That and unless it has a tag or other info on the camera how the hell do you know its dnr property? Id just take the sd cards and smash it. Or do what the raccoons did to one of mine. They removed a strap taking it off the tree and took a dump on it.

Their cameras are cell phone that sends a photo when the camera takes your picture. Just saying our tax dollars pay for the best tech!


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[GutPile]

I am wondering if someone like a neighbor is giving the DNR Police false information . Maybe a nosy neighbor telling the DNR something. Maybe you or your family is doing alot of target shooting and the neighbors telling the DNR you are hunting in all hours or poaching. Mmust be some reason. I would tape a sign to front of Camera requesting the DNR to contact you. You need to know why they are scoping you out like they are trying to get evidence pics.

Hell you could just be legally open carrying on your private property. We have had bear scat and sightings of a black bear sow on property. A guy not far from me was attacked by a rabid coyote. I regularly carry on property. I also have a 3d archery course setup and i usually shoot dulled practice broad heads at them during the season. If any dnr are bored come on by. Im sure you could put a case together of illegal hunting of a foam deer and weapon season violation based on my holstered sig.