House bill 175, ammo back ground check

[rambling_one]

My county sheriff said he would never order his deputies to confiscate guns. He’s a staunch 2A supporter. Some of you guys better go easy on the knock on LEO’s, there might come a day where you need them on your side. Literally.

Sorry, don't see the knock...I praised those sheriffs. Keep in mind, they're elected by the people, and don't answer to political hacks. Haven't seen a MSP trooper testify on our behalf since Jack McCauley's courageous stand. It would be foolhardy to expect rank and file LE to stick their necks out while employed by anti-gun county executives. But...it would be nice to see them testify on our behalf after they're retired and without the yoke of politics.

 

[Chat-Bot]

Searching for something and came across this. Some statements didn't look correct and things like this are suspect:

"Police are watching and waiting for the reports to come in from anywhere that is selling. This may include when people are going to certain firing ranges, how often they are there, what they are firing, and how long they spend time there."

https://criminallawyermaryland.net/maryland-gun-lawyer/ammunition/

 

[Allen65]

Searching for something and came across this. Some statements didn't look correct and things like this are suspect:

"Police are watching and waiting for the reports to come in from anywhere that is selling. This may include when people are going to certain firing ranges, how often they are there, what they are firing, and how long they spend time there."

https://criminallawyermaryland.net/maryland-gun-lawyer/ammunition/

Gawd, there is so much incorrect information in that link. Almost as much as there is poor grammar and sentence structure. And it's from an attorney's office, too.

 

[Norton]

Searching for something and came across this. Some statements didn't look correct and things like this are suspect:

"Police are watching and waiting for the reports to come in from anywhere that is selling. This may include when people are going to certain firing ranges, how often they are there, what they are firing, and how long they spend time there."

https://criminallawyermaryland.net/maryland-gun-lawyer/ammunition/

Gawd, there is so much incorrect information in that link. Almost as much as there is poor grammar and sentence structure.

That had to have been populated automatically. There's no way a human being could write that poorly.

And it's also an advertisement for exactly which attorney NOT to use if those factual inaccuracies are on their site.

 

[Allen65]

That had to have been populated automatically. There's no way a human being could write that poorly.

And it's also an advertisement for exactly which attorney NOT to use if those factual inaccuracies are on their site.

Sheesh. What sort attorney would use a malfunctioning LawBot to populate his/her web site? I do disagree with you though that no human could write that poorly. Have you tried reading the Baltimore Sun lately?

 

[Shore88]

Sorry, don't see the knock...I praised those sheriffs. Keep in mind, they're elected by the people, and don't answer to political hacks. Haven't seen a MSP trooper testify on our behalf since Jack McCauley's courageous stand. It would be foolhardy to expect rank and file LE to stick their necks out while employed by anti-gun county executives. But...it would be nice to see them testify on our behalf after they're retired and without the yoke of politics.

My apologies. My post wasn’t directed at you, I should have made that clear. I just used your quote to expound on the topic. In fact, you were one of the few supporting the police. Thank you. I have a lot of LE friends and believe me the vast majority are extremely pro 2A. They have a difficult job working under a bunch of anti 2A politicians.

 

[sabreman61]

I say this every year - keep in mind, the ONLY thing that guarantees the death of any bill in the Maryland General Assembly is when the gavels in both chambers strike the desk on Sine Die (when the clock strokes midnight between 12 & 13 APR 2021).


We need to be on our toes, communicating with our legislators (yes, I know, and all - even if they don't have your interests at heart, if you don't communicate with them it simply makes our common issues that much easier to ignore - call them, write them, drown their email boxes...) until they Adjourn Sine Die...

Thank you for the information. I am willing to help. Is there an organized effort? I live in Howard County so my Rep is the Communist Dem that is sponsoring the bill.

 

[rambling_one]

My apologies. My post wasn’t directed at you, I should have made that clear. I just used your quote to expound on the topic. In fact, you were one of the few supporting the police. Thank you. I have a lot of LE friends and believe me the vast majority are extremely pro 2A. They have a difficult job working under a bunch of anti 2A politicians.

All’s good.

 

[rbird7282]

Searching for something and came across this. Some statements didn't look correct and things like this are suspect:

"Police are watching and waiting for the reports to come in from anywhere that is selling. This may include when people are going to certain firing ranges, how often they are there, what they are firing, and how long they spend time there."

https://criminallawyermaryland.net/maryland-gun-lawyer/ammunition/

There’s one law firm I’d never hire, they have no clue what the fvck they are talking about


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[Defense Rifle]

What is the ETA for this disastrous bill's approval? Assuming it will be approved by the MD Communist Dems.

It's likely to pass by April and go into law October 1, 2021. Given Ds outnumber Rs 99-42 in the House the bill is likely to pass and head to the Senate (where it will likely pass there). Gov. Hogan may veto it, but his veto can easily be overrode. Last year, the Senate overrode at least 16 of his vetos with ease.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/01/15/senate-overrides-16-hogan-vetoes-from-last-year/

 

[dblas]

You say ‘law abiding’ without giving the history behind each case. Numbers mean nothing without the facts.

So you are OK with having your firearms taken without due process? Do I understand that correctly?

Because that is exactly what an ERPO does.

 

[sabreman61]

It's likely to pass by April and go into law October 1, 2021. Given Ds outnumber Rs 99-42 in the House the bill is likely to pass and head to the Senate (where it will likely pass there). Gov. Hogan may veto it, but his veto can easily be overrode. Last year, the Senate overrode at least 16 of his vetos with ease.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2021/01/15/senate-overrides-16-hogan-vetoes-from-last-year/

Thank you for the detailed info. I am C & R so I get pretty much all my ammo by mail. I have been thinking of leaving MD (after 40 years here) so this could be the final nail in the coffin. I am retired so I can take my money elsewhere.

 

[Shore88]

So you are OK with having your firearms taken without due process? Do I understand that correctly?

Because that is exactly what an ERPO does.

I explained my position in an earlier post, not the one you quoted. I have a hard time with this one because I have a relative who had a gun pointed at her head by her husband and it was never reported. If it had been, I’m not sure what the results would have been. Protective order? Assault charges? This was prior to this law. My position is if there’s no crime there should be no punishment. I do consider the taking of someone’s gun punishment. That said, if a cop, relative and subsequently a judge deems the person too dangerous to leave the guns in his/her possession then maybe that individual should be charged with a crime, or EP’d. I know of two police officers killed serving a warrant for a relatively minor charge who were shot and killed by a man who everyone said was nuts but thought he would never hurt anyone. I guess you can chalk it up to s..t happens.

 

[Occam]

I guess you can chalk it up to s..t happens.

You have two examples. The guy who pointed a gun at a woman’s head should have been charged with assault. Making nothing of that is crazy.

The nuts guy who shot two cops was plainly dangerous. Taking away his gun(s), making him even angrier, but leaving him to roam around would have been nuts, too. He could just as easily dropped a flaming Molotov cocktail out the bedroom window onto cops coming to the door. Or played it calm just long enough to stick a knife in one of their throats. Someone like that is the problem, not the gun.

No due process is bad enough. Leaving an unhinged person out and about after taking their guns (the ones you KNOW about) is crazy talk.

 

[Shore88]

You have two examples. The guy who pointed a gun at a woman’s head should have been charged with assault. Making nothing of that is crazy.

The nuts guy who shot two cops was plainly dangerous. Taking away his gun(s), making him even angrier, but leaving him to roam around would have been nuts, too. He could just as easily dropped a flaming Molotov cocktail out the bedroom window onto cops coming to the door. Or played it calm just long enough to stick a knife in one of their throats. Someone like that is the problem, not the gun.

No due process is bad enough. Leaving an unhinged person out and about after taking their guns (the ones you KNOW about) is crazy talk.

Agree on both counts. So what do you do to prevent the nutcase from killing the cops? He had up to that point committed no serious crimes. Never threatened anyone. Just the crazy guy down the street. I believe the warrant was for failure to appear, or failure to pay child support, or some such. Crimes to be sure but nothing to suggest the end result. You’re correct, taking his guns because the neighbors said he was crazy, but harmless, is a nonstarter. You go down that slippery slope you’ll have neighbors making up stories about other neighbors because the guys dog craps in his yard. Sorry to hi-jack this thread.

 

[dblas]

I explained my position in an earlier post, not the one you quoted. I have a hard time with this one because I have a relative who had a gun pointed at her head by her husband and it was never reported. If it had been, I’m not sure what the results would have been. Protective order? Assault charges? This was prior to this law. My position is if there’s no crime there should be no punishment. I do consider the taking of someone’s gun punishment. That said, if a cop, relative and subsequently a judge deems the person too dangerous to leave the guns in his/her possession then maybe that individual should be charged with a crime, or EP’d. I know of two police officers killed serving a warrant for a relatively minor charge who were shot and killed by a man who everyone said was nuts but thought he would never hurt anyone. I guess you can chalk it up to s..t happens.

And this goes back to my answer to your comment about your "Pro-2A" Sheriff.

There are none in Maryland, as every county in Maryland has issued ERPO's since they have come out, even the three Sheriff's that stood there in Annapolis and said they would not comply. Well guess what, they are complying.

As to the two issues above, in the first, as mentioned before, it should have been reported. Further, if your relative was of the right mind, could have applied for a wear and carry permit and been given one.

In the second one, until he is adjudicated mentally defective under title 10 in Maryland, he is legal to own firearms. Title 10 has been used numerous times to put a person under medical/mental observation based on a far of hurting themselves or others, before the ERPO's were created. ERPO's aren't about protecting anyone, they are about taking firearms. Police and judges have said so, even going as far as to tell people that if they don't have a firearm they don't qualify to have an RPO issued against them.

 

[Defense Rifle]

Thank you for the detailed info. I am C & R so I get pretty much all my ammo by mail. I have been thinking of leaving MD (after 40 years here) so this could be the final nail in the coffin. I am retired so I can take my money elsewhere.

Not a bad idea my friend, I moved out of Maryland awhile ago. Less taxes, more gun rights, more like minded people so your vote actually matters, and lower COL.

I think conservatives/republicans/libertarian people should move out of deep blue states like MD, NJ, CA, IL, NY and move to purple states. Virginia and PA would be good states for MDers looking for a more free state nearby, and moving in numbers definitely helps to turn the tide.

 

[sickpuppyz]

don't know why people would retire and stay in MD. Other than veterans who get a tax break ($15k) on state income taxes there are 0 reasons to stay in MD - higher cost of living than anywhere except CA, NYC, HI and Alaska. RUN!

 

[Ponder_MD]

If writing your representatives is a futile gesture, what about taking up all these unconstitutional laws and running them through the courts as high as need be?

It's expensive, I get it. There is a Maryland state version of the NRA or something that firearms owners can sign up for, isn't there? Legislatures knowingly pass unconstitutional laws all the time, betting that the common person won't have the knowledge, or money to run them through the courts and overturn them.

 

[rbird7282]

Not a bad idea my friend, I moved out of Maryland awhile ago. Less taxes, more gun rights, more like minded people so your vote actually matters, and lower COL.

I think conservatives/republicans/libertarian people should move out of deep blue states like MD, NJ, CA, IL, NY and move to purple states. Virginia and PA would be good states for MDers looking for a more free state nearby, and moving in numbers definitely helps to turn the tide.

Yeah the problem with this behavior is then there is no hope for the Blue states (which there may not be in any scenario), the purple states will eventually turn blue because people either leave those or so t fight enough. Liberals are like locusts, they destroy a state and then move elsewhere to destroy the next one


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