Biden Says Beto O’Rourke Will ‘Take Care of the Gun Problem with Me’

[ComeGet]

It is your right to vote for whoever you want. However, you also don’t have to vote. If you do decide to vote for one of the gun grabbers, I am of the opinion that you no longer get to complain about any anti-2A legislation. Because you literally voted for it.

If you don’t want to vote for Trump that is all fine and dandy, but, please elaborate on what they bring to the table that makes them a better choice than just sitting this one out?

I am genuinely curious and not trying to start an argument.

Same here. I'm also not a "one issue voter," but I do prioritize issues, and my right to own firearms is at the top. Anyone, such as Biden, Bloomberg, Sanders and most other Democrats, will never get my vote.

I can't imagine how anyone who believes the Second Amendment is important could consider supporting those politicians.

 

[whistlersmother]

Ugh.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

I'm also not a single-issue voter but my rights and individual liberties are at the top for me...and at the bottom of liberal policy makers. That usually makes the decision easy on who to vote for...or sometimes...vote against.

 

[brownspotz]

Interesting thing is during a presidential election your vote doesn't count. It's up to the electoral college to decide. If no one in the country voted, there would still be an elected president.

 

[welder516]

Not speaking of anyone here , but some people are dumber then flat rocks . I have a guy working for me that won't vote , and when he has to give away 50 or 60 % of his pay to taxes he will think I did that to him . You really can't fix stupid people , I try but all I can do is SMH to dumb people .

 

[DutchV]

I think what Biden is saying is that he doesn't really want that job.

 

[Jollyllama]

Anyone with half a brain isn’t a single issue voter. People are complex and have a lot of different views. This is a gun forum and so we tend to focus on 2A rights.

I do feel that it is top the heap, and helps guarantee the rest of our God-Given rights.

I am truly interested in Jersey’s response here.

I also personally feel that if you don’t vote you have no right to complain period. Because you didn’t even care enough to vote when the issue came up.

Unfortunately we don’t elect a president for each specific topic and have to take the sum of the human that becomes president, foibles and all. I can’t understand why someone who frequents this forum out of pleasure would vote for any of these folks running for the democrat ticket over Trump, or over not voting.

Thus I am interested to hear it from Jersey.

 

[welder516]

For me if a nominee for any office understands and follows the Constitution is then more of the person I will vote for . They swear to uphold that document , once they don't like one part of it then I take pause in them . And small government is a good sell for me .

 

[JerseyMike]

It is your right to vote for whoever you want. However, you also don’t have to vote. If you do decide to vote for one of the gun grabbers, I am of the opinion that you no longer get to complain about any anti-2A legislation. Because you literally voted for it.

If you don’t want to vote for Trump that is all fine and dandy, but, please elaborate on what they bring to the table that makes them a better choice than just sitting this one out?

I am genuinely curious and not trying to start an argument.

Edit: to clarify I wasn’t implying anyone here was a single-issue voter, and yes it definitely makes sense that on a 2A forum the second amendment right would rank high.

I don’t agree that you have to support all of the candidate’s policies when you vote for them, there’s always something you can and will disagree with them on. I look at a candidate’s different policy proposals, how they’ve governed (if they have experience), their rhetoric, the likelihood of them being able to affect positive or negative change (from my perspective) and how they would affect the country overall in terms of unity, setting precedents, etc.

Based on these there is nothing about Trump that I like and a lot that I dislike. This is the first election cycle where I started caring about/paying attention to 2A rights. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, experience and perceptions, Trump does not really care about 2A rights and, aside from his court appointments (which he will have mostly exhausted by the next election), I don’t believe he’s done anything meaningful to support the second amendment or would do anything in a second term to support the second amendment. When I take that into consideration along with everything that I dislike about him I just can’t support him. The same applies to Bloomberg really, save his stance on climate change/enviro policy.

Bernie is the “least” anti-2A dem candidate, and I like a lot of his other policies and what he’s done in his political career. I’m somewhat naive in thinking that he’s more “genuine” than other candidates given his consistency on a lot of issues. There’s things that I don’t like about Bernie (medicare for all, he would likely not promote any unity among Republicans/Dems and would lead to some division among Dems as well, and his anti 2A policies). In addition to liking a lot of his other policies I’m skeptical that Bernie will prioritize or implement any of his gun control policies and think they are more of a concession that he had to make to survive the primary. In addition, with a republican senate he definitely won’t get any through.

 

[JDH146]

Edit: to clarify I wasn’t implying anyone here was a single-issue voter, and yes it definitely makes sense that on a 2A forum the second amendment right would rank high.

I don’t agree that you have to support all of the candidate’s policies when you vote for them, there’s always something you can and will disagree with them on. I look at a candidate’s different policy proposals, how they’ve governed (if they have experience), their rhetoric, the likelihood of them being able to affect positive or negative change (from my perspective) and how they would affect the country overall in terms of unity, setting precedents, etc.

Based on these there is nothing about Trump that I like and a lot that I dislike. This is the first election cycle where I started caring about/paying attention to 2A rights. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, experience and perceptions, Trump does not really care about 2A rights and, aside from his court appointments (which he will have mostly exhausted by the next election), I don’t believe he’s done anything meaningful to support the second amendment or would do anything in a second term to support the second amendment. When I take that into consideration along with everything that I dislike about him I just can’t support him. The same applies to Bloomberg really, save his stance on climate change/enviro policy.

Bernie is the “least” anti-2A dem candidate, and I like a lot of his other policies and what he’s done in his political career. I’m somewhat naive in thinking that he’s more “genuine” than other candidates given his consistency on a lot of issues. There’s things that I don’t like about Bernie (medicare for all, he would likely not promote any unity among Republicans/Dems and would lead to some division among Dems as well, and his anti 2A policies). In addition to liking a lot of his other policies I’m skeptical that Bernie will prioritize or implement any of his gun control policies and think they are more of a concession that he had to make to survive the primary. In addition, with a republican senate he definitely won’t get any through.

The critical issue is the next POTUS will shape the SCOTUS for the next generation. You will have to decide if you want a SCOTUS that follows the Constitution or twists it to fit the agenda. The latter will certainly result in the loss of 2A and likely most of 1A.

 

[Doco Overboard]

I don’t even think Biden’s strategists are feeding him this rhetoric, I think it’s just off-the-cuff Biden which is even more concerning. If him or Bloomberg get the nom I’ll face a tough decision (but I could never vote for Trump).

Aw come on, Dont worry you'll still be able to vote for the Hawaii woman. There's a reason she hasn't dropped out yet. Just wait and see.

 

[Jollyllama]

Edit: to clarify I wasn’t implying anyone here was a single-issue voter, and yes it definitely makes sense that on a 2A forum the second amendment right would rank high.

I don’t agree that you have to support all of the candidate’s policies when you vote for them, there’s always something you can and will disagree with them on. I look at a candidate’s different policy proposals, how they’ve governed (if they have experience), their rhetoric, the likelihood of them being able to affect positive or negative change (from my perspective) and how they would affect the country overall in terms of unity, setting precedents, etc.

Based on these there is nothing about Trump that I like and a lot that I dislike. This is the first election cycle where I started caring about/paying attention to 2A rights. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, experience and perceptions, Trump does not really care about 2A rights and, aside from his court appointments (which he will have mostly exhausted by the next election), I don’t believe he’s done anything meaningful to support the second amendment or would do anything in a second term to support the second amendment. When I take that into consideration along with everything that I dislike about him I just can’t support him. The same applies to Bloomberg really, save his stance on climate change/enviro policy.

Bernie is the “least” anti-2A dem candidate, and I like a lot of his other policies and what he’s done in his political career. I’m somewhat naive in thinking that he’s more “genuine” than other candidates given his consistency on a lot of issues. There’s things that I don’t like about Bernie (medicare for all, he would likely not promote any unity among Republicans/Dems and would lead to some division among Dems as well, and his anti 2A policies). In addition to liking a lot of his other policies I’m skeptical that Bernie will prioritize or implement any of his gun control policies and think they are more of a concession that he had to make to survive the primary. In addition, with a republican senate he definitely won’t get any through.

I appreciate the response; thank you. I don’t think this is the place to debate the merits of these items, and also don’t think it would be fruitful or a good use of our time.

The single-issue voting piece was in response to someone else and not you. I do agree that there is low likelihood that everyone will agree with any candidate on every single issue, so we are left to choose based on the best overall fit for our own beliefs.

I happen to disagree with most of what you wrote, but I am glad you took the time to put it into words so I can consider your viewpoint.

I completely agree that Trump doesn’t prioritize 2A issues, but totes the line to keep the support coming from the base. There are other things about him that I don’t particularly care for, or don’t agree with him on, but overall feel that he is pointing our country in a far better direction than any of the other candidates would.

I’m not interested in debating the merits of specific policy topics per se, but I am intrigued by what specific policies and topics that you don’t agree with Trump on, vs specific policies and topics of any other candidate that would make you choose them over Trump. Particularly from the viewpoint that there is a large amount of cross-over between stances on how different policies impact the country.

You are saying you are Pro-2A and are not interested in Medicare for all/ single payer healthcare, but are interested in progressive ideals like climate change/ environmental policy.

For instance (from my viewpoint) there is crossover regarding Healthcare, immigration, and education wherein providing Medicare to all/ eliminating private insurance, having open borders and paying for “free” college education will all increase the tax burden dramatically while decreasing free markets and handing those markets to the government to manage. I don’t agree with these policies, and am very interested in pro-2A stances. Out of the 4, Trump has 3 covered for me. No one else running has any of them covered.

So what are the topics that would cause you to consider voting for one of the democratic nominees that are important to you? Without debating the specific merits of those viewpoints.

I hope this is coming across as cordial because I intend it to be as I am genuinely interested in what you have to say.

 

[K31]

Fuk Beta-male.

They better start thinking about Scotchguarding the White House carpets if they are going to have that ******* on their staff. Not that Joe's going to win or even that he's going to remember who Beto is tomorrow.

 

[welder516]

If anyone likes or votes for Bernie for free stuff , I am at the age there is nothing free . If he is allowed to put his policies in place we will have a 60% tax responsibility . that's if you make 100k then after taxes you will bring home 40K . Let that sink in , then you will have to pay higher sales taxes .
It will come down to people being in dire straights . SMH

 

[Doco Overboard]

Joe just wants to use him for a full throat-ed response.

 

[Lloyd]

Socialism and anti-2A go hand-in-hand. Both are the essence of destroying liberty in the name of their warped notion of prosperity.

Please explain what Bernie has done that's so nobal.

Edit: to clarify I wasn’t implying anyone here was a single-issue voter, and yes it definitely makes sense that on a 2A forum the second amendment right would rank high.

I don’t agree that you have to support all of the candidate’s policies when you vote for them, there’s always something you can and will disagree with them on. I look at a candidate’s different policy proposals, how they’ve governed (if they have experience), their rhetoric, the likelihood of them being able to affect positive or negative change (from my perspective) and how they would affect the country overall in terms of unity, setting precedents, etc.

Based on these there is nothing about Trump that I like and a lot that I dislike. This is the first election cycle where I started caring about/paying attention to 2A rights. In my opinion, based on my knowledge, experience and perceptions, Trump does not really care about 2A rights and, aside from his court appointments (which he will have mostly exhausted by the next election), I don’t believe he’s done anything meaningful to support the second amendment or would do anything in a second term to support the second amendment. When I take that into consideration along with everything that I dislike about him I just can’t support him. The same applies to Bloomberg really, save his stance on climate change/enviro policy.

Bernie is the “least” anti-2A dem candidate, and I like a lot of his other policies and what he’s done in his political career. I’m somewhat naive in thinking that he’s more “genuine” than other candidates given his consistency on a lot of issues. There’s things that I don’t like about Bernie (medicare for all, he would likely not promote any unity among Republicans/Dems and would lead to some division among Dems as well, and his anti 2A policies). In addition to liking a lot of his other policies I’m skeptical that Bernie will prioritize or implement any of his gun control policies and think they are more of a concession that he had to make to survive the primary. In addition, with a republican senate he definitely won’t get any through.

 

[roadking]

I’d never vote for Trump. 99% sure I’d never vote for Bloomberg, and now leaning towards not voting for Biden.

You’re painting yourself into a corner. If you also adhere to the belief that it’s not only your right, but your responsibility (and it is) to vote, then you have quite a conundrum. You can’t vote for the R or the D nominee, but you can’t not vote, either. Then what?


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Put Beto in charge of “the gun thing”...WIN BIG ON SUPER TUESDAY.

Politics ain’t hard. See what I mean?

 

[Ammo Jon]

We’re relatively safe for the next 4 years. I’m worried about what comes next, the writing is on the wall and coming from their mouths. Prepare accordingly.

 

[ComeGet]

We’re relatively safe for the next 4 years. I’m worried about what comes next, the writing is on the wall and coming from their mouths. Prepare accordingly.

That is the most cleverly subtle sales pitch I have ever heard.