Eagle Arms Shows ban 80% receiver sales

[Ponder_MD]

Lol

The soft bigotry of low expectations on display.

Now now, I'm not saying squeegee kids are incapable, just that they see no need, with access to stolen firearms and a 30 seconds with Dremel and a grinder stone on it.

Squeegee kids are as bright as any other kid.

 

[Ponder_MD]

So, let me be clear, I am opposed to all bans of inanimate objects. Full stop. This is a people problem.

But I am honestly confused as to why I've seen opposition to expanded background checks? Isn't that how you keep felons from buying guns? I don't expect a criminal to tell a seller he's a criminal of his own accord.

The only objection I've seen to expanded background checks is that it is the beginning of a registry. Which I get. But I'll guess that most folks on this forum have filled out a form at a gun shop at some point in time so isn't that a moot point?

I'm honest to goodness asking what part of this I'm missing

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One of the big issues with the "registry" is that politicians want to make the registry accessible to the PUBLIC.

Think about that. A literal shopping list of guns for criminals to download, with addresses.

Or, if it pleases the court, it essentially "doxes" every single law abiding gun owner in the country so that Demanding Mommies can find out about your C&R collection that happens to include machine guns. They protest outside of your house, get you fired from your job, bring the media down on you, etc.

 

[1841DNG]

One of the big issues with the "registry" is that politicians want to make the registry accessible to the PUBLIC.

Think about that. A literal shopping list of guns for criminals to download, with addresses.

Or, if it pleases the court, it essentially "doxes" every single law abiding gun owner in the country so that Demanding Mommies can find out about your C&R collection that happens to include machine guns. They protest outside of your house, get you fired from your job, bring the media down on you, etc.

Be on the list and never get hired in a blue area again. They want your total submission or destruction.

 

[Decoy]

 

[OneGunTex]

banning something because a small % of the population misuses them is just bullsh1t. if we don't trust KNOWN criminals to not repeat their violence, the only sure answer is keeping them in jail. problem solved. why is this never even considered?

Oh give me a break. You legit think every felony should carry a life sentence?

Stuff like "Fraudulent sale of subdivided land" or "Performance of a healthcare procedure without a license" or "Gambling tax evasion, to include sports betting."

Really?

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[Occam]

Oh give me a break. You legit think every felony should carry a life sentence?

Stuff like "Fraudulent sale of subdivided land" or "Performance of a healthcare procedure without a license" or "Gambling tax evasion, to include sports betting."

Really?

Is Aggravated Strawman Argumentation a felony? It should be.

 

[Bullfrog]

Oh give me a break. You legit think every felony should carry a life sentence?

Stuff like "Fraudulent sale of subdivided land" or "Performance of a healthcare procedure without a license" or "Gambling tax evasion, to include sports betting."

Really?

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Are those violent crimes? Because I'm pretty sure you quoted him saying something about criminals repeating their violence.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[OneGunTex]

Are those violent crimes? Because I'm pretty sure you quoted him saying something about criminals repeating their violence.

Reading is fundamental.

Fair enough.

Let me just back up to say that I think "criminals gonna crime" is a poor argument for not enacting laws in general, and when taken to its logical conclusion looks a lot like anarchy.

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[OneGunTex]

One of the big issues with the "registry" is that politicians want to make the registry accessible to the PUBLIC.



Think about that. A literal shopping list of guns for criminals to download, with addresses.



Or, if it pleases the court, it essentially "doxes" every single law abiding gun owner in the country so that Demanding Mommies can find out about your C&R collection that happens to include machine guns. They protest outside of your house, get you fired from your job, bring the media down on you, etc.

I don't follow?

Yes, a registry is bad.
But how many of us have had our backgrounds run? This information isn't public now and how is the number of background checks conducted related to whether or not that information is public?

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[Mark75H]

Right here: https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/01/maryland-state-county-lawmakers-target-ghost-guns/

73 of them in 2020, in just MoCo. Is it possible some of these were simply normal guns with defiled serials? Possible. But that's hardly a new thing.

Look, I'm not here to argue that 80% receivers should be banned (they shouldn't be). I'm just saying that denying that criminals are using these things is going to be a loser of an argument for us. Yes, individual criminals tend to be dumb, but as the aforementioned article mentions, it's gangs that really like these.

Again, let's actually work on responding to our opponents rather than reflexively denying anything they say.

I believe that is correct, they added defaced/removed serial numbers to the "ghost gun" count in that case.

Wouldn't have had the drama if they said 2 or 1 of that was the actual 80% count.

I have an inside source on this stuff

 

[Bisleyfan44]

Oh give me a break. You legit think every felony should carry a life sentence?

Stuff like "Fraudulent sale of subdivided land" or "Performance of a healthcare procedure without a license" or "Gambling tax evasion, to include sports betting."

Really?

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If every felony carried a significant sentence imposed when convicted and not plead out or dropped, folks may actually refrain from committing a felony in the first place. Called DETERRENCE.

 

[rbird7282]

banning something because a small % of the population misuses them is just bullsh1t. if we don't trust KNOWN criminals to not repeat their violence, the only sure answer is keeping them in jail. problem solved. why is this never even considered?

Because it’s racist..........or so the overlords tell us..


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[TheBert]

Right here: https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/01/maryland-state-county-lawmakers-target-ghost-guns/

73 of them in 2020, in just MoCo. Is it possible some of these were simply normal guns with defiled serials? Possible. But that's hardly a new thing.

Look, I'm not here to argue that 80% receivers should be banned (they shouldn't be). I'm just saying that denying that criminals are using these things is going to be a loser of an argument for us. Yes, individual criminals tend to be dumb, but as the aforementioned article mentions, it's gangs that really like these.

Again, let's actually work on responding to our opponents rather than reflexively denying anything they say.

I was arguing definitions and grammar.

 

[TheBert]

Oh give me a break. You legit think every felony should carry a life sentence?

Stuff like "Fraudulent sale of subdivided land" or "Performance of a healthcare procedure without a license" or "Gambling tax evasion, to include sports betting."

Really?

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The recidivism rate would drop to zero. Crime would drop along with it. Obviously the current criminal justice system from police to prosecutors to judges to sheriffs to parole boards is screwed up.

 

[TheBert]

I don't follow?

Yes, a registry is bad.
But how many of us have had our backgrounds run? This information isn't public now and how is the number of background checks conducted related to whether or not that information is public?

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Please provide us with a list of all firearms you have owned or purchased and their current disposition also include where the firearms you still posses are located. If you have a concealed carry permit (of any kind) list the informaiton about that too.

https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/...names-of-gun-permit-holders-sparking-outrage/

 

[noddaz]

ummm

banning something because a small % of the population misuses them is just bullsh1t. if we don't trust KNOWN criminals to not repeat their violence, the only sure answer is keeping them in jail. problem solved. why is this never even considered?

1)There are a whole list of things that are banned, the most recent being bump stocks.

B)There are not enough prisons or jails to hold the current felons. Who wants to pay for more?

And just what is the answer to all these questions and more? I don't know.
But something has to be done.

 

[noddaz]

So, what happened with that?

I'm up for the 30-minute Polymer80 challenge. I'll time myself with some basic hand tools and see if I can get a running P80 in 30 minutes.

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[dblas]

Fair enough.

Let me just back up to say that I think "criminals gonna crime" is a poor argument for not enacting laws in general, and when taken to its logical conclusion looks a lot like anarchy.

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So you are OK with giving up rights, just because "criminals gonna crime"??? DO I understand you correctly?

 

[dblas]

If every felony carried a significant sentence imposed when convicted and not plead out or dropped, folks may actually refrain from committing a felony in the first place. Called DETERRENCE.

On the flip side of that coin, if they have served their sentence in full, then they should get ALL of their rights back and no longer be labelled a felon. If, they have committed crime so violent that they shouldn't get ALL of their rights back, then they should never be released from the legal system (i.e. lifetime parole after release, violate parole, back to jail for "X" amount of years).

 

[teratos]

Inquiring minds want to know.

I can do it. Dremel and a drill.