Extractor not pulling case out

[thedutchtouch]

I'm having some issues with my (edit: bolt action-cva cascade) 350 legend- basically the extractor isn't always grabbing the case and pulling it out of the gun. Works occasionally, doesn't work most times. I'm not sure about this, but it seems like it has more issues with a empty/fired case than if I just try to cycle the bolt and pull out an unfired round.

I was at the shooting range last saturday and asked a few guys there (thanks again if you happen to be on here) and they recommended just soaking the end of the bolt in something like WD-40 for a while, and then re-oiling to see if it's just carbon fouled etc. Anything else I can check on my own or anything to know before I possibly attempt to fix this myself? The extractor seems to move/return with finger-pressure so I think the spring is still functional and it's just dirty/fouled? But I'm not super experienced/not sure. Thanks in advance for any advice, happy to answer questions or test things out and return if needed

 

[Melnic]

Were you also there Wed this week? Someone was there at the same time as my son and I to the right of me and Bob was helping them out.

I did not look at the gun but telling folks here if its a bolt action or AR would help.
I don't have a 350 but helped my dad with several guns and man, with such a new round, there are some inconsistancies in chambers for some manufacturers. He really had issues with his savage and had to send it back because it was popping primers.

I do recall him having extracting issues with the same gun. I'll check his videos but I think it was a Savage Bolt action.

 

[4g64loser]

I'm going to assume you have an AR pattern weapon system.

Disassemble the bolt, don't soak it. Clean out the bolt face, the extractor relief, and inspect both the extractor (broken or chipped) and the extractor spring (twisted, collapsed, broken) for defects. Remove the ejector and ejector spring. Reinstall the extractor, spring, and pin. Snap a case under the extractor and check for excessive play (front to back).

I don't have headspace gauges for the 350 legend in my tool box or I'd offer to check it for you. Possible chamber variance from SAAMI standard (in a straight wall case, this can be even more of an issue than in a bottleneck).

 

[thedutchtouch]

Ah sorry, this was on my cva cascade bolt action gun. Newbie forgets the important details.

Was not me on Wednesday, I was at Green ridge last Saturday afternoon (may go back tomorrow afternoon as well) I also had my new AR (in 5.56) and 300 win mag there but no issues with those guns, the AR is fun and the 300wm is a tack driver.

 

[4g64loser]

Ah sorry, this was on my cva cascade bolt action gun. Newbie forgets the important details.

Was not me on Wednesday, I was at Green ridge last Saturday afternoon (may go back tomorrow afternoon as well) I also had my new AR (in 5.56) and 300 win mag there but no issues with those guns, the AR is fun and the 300wm is a tack driver.

No experience with the cva myself but based on a google image search it appears to be a "fat bolt" design similar to a ruger american or an winchester xp3 or any of the current gen "full diameter bolt" systems that inhabit the budget market. Extractor appears to be located in a lug face. Not a lot of good pics found but checking for extractor damage and tension would definitely be first on my list. Excessive clearance (outlined above) would be number two.

 

[thedutchtouch]

No experience with the cva myself but based on a google image search it appears to be a "fat bolt" design similar to a ruger american or an winchester xp3 or any of the current gen "full diameter bolt" systems that inhabit the budget market. Extractor appears to be located in a lug face. Not a lot of good pics found but checking for extractor damage and tension would definitely be first on my list. Excessive clearance (outlined above) would be number two.

Short of taking it to a store- how do I check for extractor tension? I can move the extractor in and out with my fingertip somewhat, but I'm not sure how stiff/pliable the spring is supposed to be. Struggled to get a good photo, it could definitely be cleaned more/better so that's my first step.

 

[GuitarmanNick]

Completely disassemble and clean the entire bolt. Carefully inspect the extractor for damage or wear. Clean the extractor channel and spring(if applicable).

I am betting you find some debris restricting the extractor just enough to cause the malfunction at times.

 

[4g64loser]

I haven't worked on the cva myself but I suspect that extractor tension should be moderate. Gun is a push feed design (as opposed to a controlled round feed) so it must give way to snap over the rim.

 

[John from MD]

Completely disassemble and clean the entire bolt. Carefully inspect the extractor for damage or wear. Clean the extractor channel and spring(if applicable).

I am betting you find some debris restricting the extractor just enough to cause the malfunction at times.

This is the same type ejector used on most push feed guns. Pull the extractor, spring and sometimes a ball, and give them and the spring hole a good cleaning. That should fix your problem.

 

[4g64loser]

This is the same type ejector used on most push feed guns. Pull the ejector, spring and sometimes a ball, and give them and the spring hole a good cleaning. That should fix your problem.

Assuming that the OP is correct in describing the issue in his first post, it's an extractor problem.

 

[John from MD]

Assuming that the OP is correct in describing the issue in his first post, it's an extractor problem.

Fixed. Just a case of old age.

 

[outrider58]

Make sure, after removing the extractor(and cleaning), the extractor has good, sharp edges. If it won't scratch your skin(but not draw blood) as you drag it across, you might want to replace it.

 

[4g64loser]

Fixed. Just a case of old age.

Haha. All good. OP admits to being new so I'm just trying to keep the technicalities straight. You and I both know what you meant. He may we'll not.

Idle curiosity makes me wonder if these CVAs are similar to the winchester fat bolts that were out a while back. I seem to remember them having a few issues. I know savage solves the problem by using a sliding plate extractor but the OP pic looks more like a pivot type. If made properly, they are great (see badger extractor upgrade for 700s) but the machining accuracy needs to be a bit higher. Both the part itself and the pocket it sits in. Goes without saying that the pivot pin must be properly located too.

 

[4g64loser]

Make sure, after removing the extractor(and cleaning), the extractor has good, sharp edges. If it won't scratch your skin(but not draw blood) as you drag it across, you might want to replace it.

Yep. Burrs, chips, etc need to be visually found before the scratch test because they CAN draw blood or give you a false "good".

Magnifying glass, jeweler's loupe, etc.