HERE we go... She wants a little teeny gun now!

[Marauder]

Dump Her!

 

[Cochise]

The Baur is actually a kind of crappy clone of the Baby Browning done in stainless. The Baur's didn't have a great reputation when they were being made. You need to be careful how you hold one the slide can cut the crap out of the web of your hand it its in the way.
Any 25 isnt much of a defensive weapon but is probably better than a rock.
I have a Seecamp 32, its a great gun and absolutely dependable, I have never had a jam of FTF period. They are expensive and hard to find. They are also ammo specific being built around the Winchester Silvertip round. Mine will also feed some other hollowpoint 32s but cheap fmj wont fit in the magazine.
I have owned at one time or another several different 25s including Astras, Baby Brownings, Colt Jr's. They are fun. I reload for 25 acp as well.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Actually the Bauer , like the even shorter lived Frazer before it , were exact duplicates of Baby Brownings. Down to parts interchange. Bauers (and Fraziers) had a very good reputation in the day. If one were inclined to hammerless .25acps , the Bauer is/was the top of the heap.

For exposed hammer, the Berretta Jetfire or later M21 .

For Exposed hammer , all steel , the Pistol once known as Colt Jr . Only briefly sold under Colt Banner , the same pistol made on same assembly line was also offered by Astra , and FIE ( not to be confused w/ any of the other pistols from FIE.

All that said ; NO .25acp has any reason to be carried ever since the introduction of subcompact .32acps (priced less than Seacamps). Berretta Tomcats have a VERY mixed reputation. The almost gaurenteed cracked frame after 1-2,000 rounds I could almost overlook, give the highly specialed role for somthing like this. But about 50% of the people who actually shoot them report extreeme accuraccy problems and keyholeing. My #1 shooting and handloading partner inhereted one , and it keyholed , and grouped maybe 12in groups at 5yds. He sold/traded it. My #1 Pa guy reports his is reliable , and at least as accurate as any .25acp. He uses it occasionally as a third gun.

The NAA Gaurdian is a solid well made gun. It takes small to extreme. "For me" only one finger fits on it , and the backstrap is hanging in mid air halfway to the web of my hand. Would have been perfect fit for my daughter (pause) when she was 5yo.

Before further reflection on subcampct .32acp , I'll cut to the chase , and say skip them for carry. Likewise skip over subcompact .380s .

To be able to actually shoot them well , and get full potentia from the ctg , you should have something in a size envelope reasonably close to a PPK (aka orig Pocket Pistol).

In this size I actually enjoy .32acps for plinking and trail guns, and occasionally used as a BUG to a real gun. But as a primary gun go to .380 (or 9x18) if you insist.

This also brings us to subcompact 9mms ! This is the place to be IF you can handle the recoil.
( Option abound. I like my KelTec P11 that IS reliable, plenty of other choices.

Mrs Biggfoot has been known to say "Hey I LIKE that" , and I never argue with her. However she doesn't do small and cute. Her tastes run to .357 , .41 , and .44Mags. Her smallest was Colt Cobra I got her on our Wedding day.

 

[smokey]

kahr pm9. Lower bore axis keeps muzzle flip and recoil down compared to pf9 or lc9. It's about as tiny as a 9mm can get. It's got polygonal rifling to make the most velocity out of the short barrel. If it's too much money, the cm9 gives up some styling and the rifling for a lot less money. Trigger pull is smooth with a predictable break, much better than the ruger or kel-tec(i own the pf9 btw).

The lcp's, tcp's, and p3at's are all terrible to shoot. The grip isn't big enough to get a comfortable grip on(even for small-handed folks) and the recoil is sharp. F(net)=MA....F(net)/M=A....so the greater mass, the duller the impulse. These mouse guns have almost no mass so they feel like a firecracker going off in your hands. They've also got almost no useable sights. They were designed to be the most concealable guns in the biggest caliber. You can carry them in a speedo, but they give up a lot to get there. Using them to shoot targets, home defense, or pretty much anything besides carrying them in an ultra-concealed role and shooting them rarely would be like using a flathead screwdriver to hammer something. Wrong tool for the job. In contrast, the pm9's are only sliiiigghhhtly bigger and MUCH more user friendly for a small gun.

See if you can take her out to rent some tiny guns and shoot them first. a $15 investment in renting something could save you $400 in a gun she'll never shoot.

oh, btw, raven porn...

 

[Safetech]

Dump Her!

If only that was her worst problem.

 

[Mooseman]

I love my LCP for warm weather CCW. I can wear it IWB and cover it with a tee shirt. It is a little hard on the hand to shoot. It has virtually no sights. That being said, it is not meant to be a range gun.

 

[BradMacc82]

I like the Colt 1908 Vest Pocket.

Yes!! +2 on the 1908 Colt .25, About the size of a pack of cigarette's and suprisingly accurate at 7 to 10 yards.


Thanks Dino - you just reminded me I haven't shot mine in a few months, I have to address that now.

 

[Darkemp]

Another advantage of the LCP with the CT's is that they add some surface area around the trigger guard to grip onto. Snappy little gun, but not even as much as a small snub by revolver with strong +p .38's, not even close to .357's.

 

[BenL]

A buddy of mine has this one, and it's surprisingly accurate and fun to shoot. It's only a .22mag but still, better than a sharp stick and tiny.

 

[Safetech]

Thanks for all the input!

I'm going to have her try out an LCP. If she likes it, I know what she's getting for her birthday next month! (After being amrried almost 28 yeras, it's really hard to think of something unique.)

Will let you know how it goes.

 

[jawn]

Beretta Bobcat/Tomcat!

 

[mcbruzdzinski]

Let me know the next time you plan on being at FreeState and I will bring the Ruger LCP, LC9 and SR9C for a comparison.

 

[Safetech]

I have an SR9C. Love it!

But she want's smaller.

Give me a heads-up next time you're going. I'd love to let her try both of the other two.

 

[Forest]

kahr pm9. Lower bore axis keeps muzzle flip and recoil down compared to pf9 or lc9. It's about as tiny as a 9mm can get. It's got polygonal rifling to make the most velocity out of the short barrel. If it's too much money, the cm9 gives up some styling and the rifling for a lot less money. Trigger pull is smooth with a predictable break, much better than the ruger or kel-tec(i own the pf9 btw).

This ^

I have the LC9, it's bigger and has a bit more felt recoil at a lower cost.

But if size (and quality) are a concern then get the Kahr!

 

[Maryland Hunter]

I've had a LCP for a few years now, and it's great for summer/lightweight clothes-carry. I usually carry it in a Desantis pocket holster, but also in a small Fobus on the belt sometimes.

As far as recoil goes, it's not that bad, but it's also not a gun that you'll be going to the range with 100 rounds to shoot. I put a new and heavier Wolff recoil spring in, and it not only helped reduce the recoil a bit, it reduced the distance that the brass was being flung across the range.

I also highly recommend the Pierce finger extensions. They change the overall feel of the gun from the factory ones.

Hope this helps,

MH

 

[ffemtreed]

A lot of those north american firearms small guns aren't approved for sale in MD. I was looking at getting one like that .22mag shown above and it was a NO GO!

 

[Blaster229]

HATED my LCP. So much that I got rid of it instead of just keeping it in the stable. Now my LCR..........

 

[engineerbrian]

Yes!! +2 on the 1908 Colt .25, About the size of a pack of cigarette's and suprisingly accurate at 7 to 10 yards.


Thanks Dino - you just reminded me I haven't shot mine in a few months, I have to address that now.

I'm going to +3 this one

If your going to carry, carry a classic!

 

[tech24]

don't know if this is small enough but its a 9

http://www.kimberamerica.com/solo

 

[TheGrizzly]

The Ruger LCP is a hot little number ... I would still try and convince her to go with a DAO .22 Magnum revolver … a well place shot is far better than a missed one.