IO AK47s....are these quality AK's

[rob-cubed]

Are you really making me choose only one?!

I'm down to a case or two of 5.45... could really use some more... it's a blast to shoot.

I second A81lp's offer, you are welcome to try either of my guns that shoot 5.45 and I'm sure you'll be a convert...

 

[fivepointstar]

Damn*t!!!!!!

now I really want to shoot one!! I like the x39, it feels Russian to me

 

[fivepointstar]

OK

IF were were to do a group buy on a AK74.....

which model???

(you guys got me thinking)

 

[rob-cubed]

I can't argue with that, even Mikhail himself has been a pretty vocal critic of the 5.45 round. BUT, unlike it's predecessor it's got a fairly flat trajectory and is noticeably more accurate, at least out of the rifles I own. I didn't think much of it either until I shot it.

 

[fivepointstar]

OK

IF were were to do a group buy on a AK74.....

which model???

(you guys got me thinking)

Does anyone really think a AK74 Group buy is a good idea?

 

[Benzman]

Why all of the Century Arms hate, L bought one from Lou and it shoots great. It is a Romanian folder and eveything works great. I have no problem with Century so the snobs can stop already. OK?

 

[rob-cubed]

OK

IF were were to do a group buy on a AK74.....

which model???

(you guys got me thinking)

5 different guys, 5 different answers

I have a CAI Bulgy and a Saiga home conversion. I am working on a Bulgarian home build right now. I'm very happy with both of mine, but of course the Century comes with some potential downsides. Benzman, your Romy is almost entirely built at Cugir in Romania so I don't consider it a Century build. Where people have a beef with them is their completely US-assembled rifles and lack of quality control. My CAI Bulgy shoots great but still has an unchromed US barrel which may or may not wear prematurely.

A good Bulgarian build will probably be your best bet, parts are cheap and plentiful and there are several builders producing them. There is still a supply of surplus Bulgarian barrels, just make sure your build uses one of those over US (chrome lined or not).

I prefer foreign arsenal-built rifles over US, unfortunately in the case of the 5.45s they've almost exclusively come in after the ban was lifted and are all "sporters" that need conversion. I'm sure you are familiar with the Romanians, Saiga, etc., and IMO these are the best values. Next up would be higher-end US builders and "pre-converted" Bulgy Arsenals.

 

[rob-cubed]

Does anyone really think a AK74 Group buy is a good idea?

I already have more than I need, but I *am* serious about going in on a group buy of ammo... so you need to buy yerself a 5.45 of some flavor real soon

 

[clandestine]

OK

IF were were to do a group buy on a AK74.....

which model???

(you guys got me thinking)

Beware, you know people will complain that they can get it cheaper online, and then they will debalte if its regulated. DOnt let them get to you again my friend.

 

[clandestine]

Why all of the Century Arms hate, L bought one from Lou and it shoots great. It is a Romanian folder and eveything works great. I have no problem with Century so the snobs can stop already. OK?

Perhaps you can come fix the 9 out of 10 Century AK's I tested today. Only one had straight sights, in spec receivers, non binding carriers, and functioned when test fired.


Century guns are crap unless you can pick through many and test them.

 

[fivepointstar]

Beware, you know people will complain that they can get it cheaper online, and then they will debalte if its regulated. DOnt let them get to you again my friend.

 

[Cgoet5]

have a wasr-10 from century arms had some issues when first bought it with feeding. took some minor polishing to some burs on the reciever so the carrier would cycle smooth, works like champ ever since. next ak-47 would have to be a chinese norinco

 

[a81lp]

Damn*t!!!!!!

now I really want to shoot one!! I like the x39, it feels Russian to me

let me know next week when your free, we can meet up and you can shoot the hell out of mine

 

[Markp]

Beware, you know people will complain that they can get it cheaper online, and then they will debalte if its regulated. DOnt let them get to you again my friend.

LMAO. Really, come on now, at least the law is clear on the AK-74, it's regulated unless it's a sporter version as defined in MSP bulletin 96-1. What's there to debate?

Now what would REALLY be cool, and regulated, and Form 4, would be a group buy on AK-74 AOW's. That would be cool and more exciting than the Draco's.



I don't argue everything to death.

Mark

 

[FIREHAWK]

i have an IO and it shoots pretty sweet and accurate ( clays on the berm). it was my first fun gun and i will get a lancaster or arsenal one day but for now i love the IO. i might just buy a wood furniture kit and forget about the lancaster.

 

[fivepointstar]

i have an IO and it shoots pretty sweet and accurate ( clays on the berm). it was my first fun gun and i will get a lancaster or arsenal one day but for now i love the IO. i might just buy a wood furniture kit and forget about the lancaster.

What the other one....is that your Saiga

I decided to stick with imports but it does look nice.

 

[cobracutter]

I have an Arsenal and a Century AK.

For the money Arsenal gives you some good quality and performance.

I don't think you could go wrong with the Arsenal.

Just a thought but, have you looked in to a 5.45x39? (AK-74)

There is lots of surplus ammo out there and they are very accurate.

Its also corrosive.what money u save will be eaten in time cleaning

 

[Scott7891]

I would avoid I.O. like the plague. Their receivers are not in spec to normal European-style receivers (1.0 standard vs. 1.1 I.O.) that could lead to interchangeability issues down the road. They are the same if not worse than Century and TGI builds as previously mentioned. The only cheap AK I would consider buying would be a WASR-10/63 that uses surplus Romanian military parts that were used on ex full-auto military AK's built at Cugir (the military gun not the WASR) with chrome-lined bores.

Benzman, your Romy is almost entirely built at Cugir in Romania so I don't consider it a Century build.

Actually starting in 2000 after Romania was caught selling AK's to unfriendly nations, the government shut down AK production at Cugir to save face and transferred production to Sadar which was already building AK's for the foreign market. However the quality was not as good as those built at Cugir whose quality also suffered after Ceaucescu's 1983 purges that included many technical experts at Cugir who knew how to build AK's well.

Sadar is know the sole producer of AK's in Romania including the WASR's. A lot of the early WASR's had problems because they were built with Sadar quality which was terrible to say the least. To put it bluntly, a Cugir rejected part was still 5 times better than a Sadar rejected part. Now with the Romanian military going away from the 7.62 AK platform as can be observed with the tons of parts kits in country, Sadar bought a lot of them as well to be built into the WASR-10/63 to help improve their image on the commercial market. This is because they were built using parts from their sister arsenal Cugir who as previously mentioned were much better at building AK's than Sadar was even with the purges done by Ceaucescu.

Information can be found here:http://www.mouseguns.com/wasrrev/review.htm

 

[ShiNNinG]

I own one, simply put, you get what you pay for. And these AK's are cheap in price.

 

[fivepointstar]

I own one, simply put, you get what you pay for. And these AK's are cheap in price.

thanks for the feedback....I think they are Romanian kits built on US receivers like CAI does. I'm going to pass!!