Jan Morgan bans Muslims from her range

[outrider58]

Not good for winning over hearts and minds, IMO. You may win the fringe base but that's about it.

How does she know someone is a Muslim anyway?

When has 'winning hearts and minds' ever worked? People think 'once THEY see how good we have it', they'll see the light and fall in line. It just never works that way in most cases. When nation building doesn't work, what's left? Nation destroying?

 

[ryan_j]

When has 'winning hearts and minds' ever worked?:

It sure has worked for gay marriage.

Again, I caution about the willingness to exclude people who vote. We will be, to use a cliché, shooting ourselves in the foot.

Again, how does someone determine someone is a Muslim without asking?

 

[EL1227]

Surname? You mean like Richard Reid?

If you had perused the linked articles, you would have read that 'surname' was Morgan's criteria. Richard Reid would have passé, I grant you that as surname is not very fool-proof ... but she could offer pulled-pork bar-b-q or BLT samiches, and judge accordingly by reactions.

 

[traveller]

Surname ...

The majority of muslims are east asians and africans. She'll have a miss rate of about 90%.

 

[teratos]

This is moronic.

 

[outrider58]

Again, how does someone determine someone is a Muslim without asking?

In there lies the rub. There is no way, especially as it would pertain to the murderous converts, it can be done. The ones she really needs to ban will be able to sneak by.

 

[The sphinx]

Her range she can do what she wants.

 

[ryan_j]

If you had perused the linked articles, you would have read that 'surname' was Morgan's criteria. Richard Reid would have passé, I grant you that as surname is not very fool-proof ... but she could offer pulled-pork bar-b-q or BLT samiches, and judge accordingly by reactions.

I'm catholic and I don't eat pork. Orthodox Jews who keep kosher don't either.

 

[ryan_j]

Her range she can do what she wants.

Not necessarily. Places of public accommodation can't always do what they want unless it's a private club.

 

[traveller]

This is moronic.

Not if your goal is to generate 15min of fame for your backwoods range or pizza place.

 

[traveller]

Not necessarily. Places of public accommodation can't always do what they want unless it's a private club.

'Places of public accomodation' are very narrowly defined in the civil rights act. A range is not one of them.

 

[ryan_j]

In there lies the rub. There is no way, especially as it would pertain to the murderous converts, it can be done. The ones she really needs to ban will be able to sneak by.

Yep, relegating this to a cheap stunt to drive traffic.

Apart from the outright ban I'm afraid that if I go there I may be hassled and harassed by staff and patrons. I'm of East Indian ethnicity but not Muslim. I do have a Muslim sounding middle name but it's my dad's name, and he's a Hindu.

I see lots of possibilities for bad things to happen, like how Sikhs were killed after 9/11 after being accused of being Islamic terrorists, solely based on looks.

We really don't need to be embracing bigotry like this. It looks bad and could be alienating people who would otherwise side with us.

 

[ryan_j]

'Places of public accomodation' are very narrowly defined in the civil rights act. A range is not one of them.

Why not?

 

[EL1227]

I'm catholic and I don't eat pork.

And, if you had a Muslim surname, that's two reasons she would ban you ... hypothetically speaking.

 

[ryan_j]

And, if you had a Muslim surname, that's two reasons she would ban you ... hypothetically speaking.

I would love for her to do so, as I would sue and win.

 

[danb]

Yep, relegating this to a cheap stunt to drive traffic.

Apart from the outright ban I'm afraid that if I go there I may be hassled and harassed by staff and patrons. I'm of East Indian ethnicity but not Muslim. I do have a Muslim sounding middle name but it's my dad's name, and he's a Hindu.

I see lots of possibilities for bad things to happen, like how Sikhs were killed after 9/11 after being accused of being Islamic terrorists, solely based on looks.

We really don't need to be embracing bigotry like this. It looks bad and could be alienating people who would otherwise side with us.

^^this

 

[Baccusboy]

Anyone else look forward to the day when the DOJ's main concern is not race-related issues?

 

[teratos]

Anyone else look forward to the day when the DOJ's main concern is not race-related issues?

How else can they keep Blacks in the corral to be let out only on election day?

 

[EL1227]

Why not?

The Civil Rights Act of 1965 prohibited discrimination in employment and in places of public accommodation. However, some forms of discrimination may be valid when in the public interest (like a shooting range where lethal weapons are being handled) and the courts have devised rational basis test to determine if discrimination has legitimate purpose. The courts also developed a strict scrutiny test to analyze same. If discrimination reflects prejudice, the courts automatically classify as suspect, but require the government to prove that there wasn't compelling reason for discrimination ... thus the DoJ's interest in 'monitoring' Morgan's range.

 

[EL1227]

I would love for her to do so, as I would sue and win.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. See my response ABOVE: