NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[DC-W]

The message on that letter from Virginia has changed again, so maybe whatever wrinkles existed were ironed out?

Letter from the Commonwealth of Virginia to the Clerk notifying the Court of the Commonwealth’s change in position of Commonwealth of Virginia submitted.
Main Document

 

[delaware_export]

was just reviewing this thread... ya know. the highlighted part.

it's been a while since i've done the public land hunts in delaware, but if the ones in maryland are similar, they would seem to be prohibited areas.

mornings at delaware public hunts, bombay, prime hook, and some of the state places, had more the 15 people with firearms, gathered for entertainment.

seems like the kind of place a DEDICATED officer could troll early in the morning, if they went all LETTER OF THE LAW on this one.

Here's the assembly bill: https://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?d...ttee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y#A08684

4 A person is guilty of criminal possession of a firearm when he or she:
5 (1) possesses any firearm [or]; (2) lawfully possesses a firearm prior
6 to the effective date of [the] chapter one of the laws of two thousand
7 thirteen [which added this section] subject to the registration require-
8 ments of subdivision sixteen-a of section 400.00 of this chapter and
9 knowingly fails to register such firearm pursuant to such subdivision;
10 or (3) knowingly has in his or her possession a rifle, shotgun, or
11 firearm in or upon the following locations:
12 (a) Any form of public transportation, including but not limited to
13 railroads, ride sharing services, paratransit services, subways, buses,
14 air travel, taxis or any other public transportation service;
15 (b) Food and drink establishments; or
16 (c) Large gatherings, which for the purposes of this section shall
17 mean a gathering together of fifteen or more persons for amusement,
18 athletic, civic, dining, educational, entertainment, patriotic, poli-
19 tical, recreational, religious, social, or similar purposes.

A bit of a tougher call on the public transportation but B and C make the leap from government controlled locations over to privately controlled locations. Pretty clear this is an end run around what we expect the SCOTUS decision to be. "Large gatherings" doesn't even specify a place.

 

[delaware_export]

And Hawaii weighs in, sounding like a plan for passive resistance to a pro2a ruling.

6month permit, 22hrs per permit cycle… other points. Take a gander. Yeah! Let’s call it passive resistance. Next up will be million$ app FEES, training FEES, psych evaluation FEES… for a 2 week permit.

If the ruling is pro 2a, I hope it somehow implicates this kind of thing preemptively.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/h...2-hours-of-training-mandate-carrying-a-taser/

 

[press1280]

And Hawaii weighs in, sounding like a plan for passive resistance to a pro2a ruling.

6month permit, 22hrs per permit cycle… other points. Take a gander. Yeah! Let’s call it passive resistance. Next up will be million$ app FEES, training FEES, psych evaluation FEES… for a 2 week permit.

If the ruling is pro 2a, I hope it somehow implicates this kind of thing preemptively.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/h...2-hours-of-training-mandate-carrying-a-taser/

That's not all. They can prevent you from getting a permit if you "appear" mentally deranged or don't "appear" to be a "suitable" person to be licensed

(2) Appear to be a suitable person to be so licensed;
(3) Not be prohibited under section 134—7 from the
ownership or possession of a firearm; [aad]
(4) Not have been adjudged insane or not appear to be
mentally deranged

All in all this is a blatant attempt at nullifying a SCOTUS opinion by making it so onerous and burdensome to get a permit that people just won't bother. 22 hours is essentially 3 days of training each 6 months. You don't get trained for free, so that's a few hundred dollars plus whatever the license fee (not bad at 10$), plus now you need to buy a taser if you don't have one. And I highly doubt the authorities will be so on the ball that there won't be lapses in people's permits. It's also laughable that the legislature finds it is prudent for someone to also carry a taser when not too long ago there was a flat ban on tasers.

Oh and to make it more obvious it states that if you had a license before a certain date then you only have to renew annually. Guess what the date is? July 1, 2022. Mere days after SCOTUS' anticipated release of NYSRPA.

 

[Fedora]

The Court has to be aware of this. What if the Court opines that any license, resident or non, from any state has nationwide legal recognition? Simple, no?

 

[Allen65]

The Court has to be aware of this. What if the Court opines that any license, resident or non, from any state has nationwide legal recognition? Simple, no?

Maybe a few individual SCOTUS members may be aware if they follow pro-2A media, but it's still only a bill, not a law, and therefore no real concern of any court's, let alone SCOTUS.

 

[press1280]

The Court has to be aware of this. What if the Court opines that any license, resident or non, from any state has nationwide legal recognition? Simple, no?

It’s not part of the case so I don’t see them doing this.

 

[Nobody]

22 hours of training for a six month permit, that is almost an hour a week. I would venture to say the average police office in Hawaii does not train that much just on gun safety. RIDICULOUS

Nobody

 

[Boxcab]

The SCOTUS just needs to say that any of these silly new Stae defined requirements must be applied to all State agents and/or contractors who carry a gun for their jobs.

Police, body guards, security, etc.



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[ed bernay]

The SCOTUS just needs to say that any of these silly new State defined requirements must be applied to all State agents and/or contractors who carry a gun for their jobs.

Police, body guards, security, etc.


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Exactly. Any gun laws must also apply to all politicians, judges and retired police officers. Politicians have been able to pass these laws because they exempt certain classes of government workers.

 

[teratos]

Exactly. Any gun laws must also apply to all politicians, judges and retired police officers. Politicians have been able to pass these laws because they exempt certain classes of government workers.

No more special classes.

 

[Fedora]

The SCOTUS just needs to say that any of these silly new Stae defined requirements must be applied to all State agents and/or contractors who carry a gun for their jobs. Police, body guards, security, etc.

Boxcab, I favor your solution better than mine.
Thank you.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Mark392001 is probably on the right Crystal Ball track in drawing comparison to Illinois .

16 hr training $ , encumbered process to obtain handgun , large portions of the population w/o strong cultural ties to ( lawful) gun ownership or shooting , are all strong parallels to Maryland . Otherwise to be considered as raising the entry bar enough to weed out the moderately motivated .

So thusly , I'll predict 26K jumping to 100K as quickly as they can grind thru the process , with medium range numbers of 200K .

 

[Darkemp]

Mark392001 is probably on the right Crystal Ball track in drawing comparison to Illinois .

16 hr training $ , encumbered process to obtain handgun , large portions of the population w/o strong cultural ties to ( lawful) gun ownership or shooting , are all strong parallels to Maryland . Otherwise to be considered as raising the entry bar enough to weed out the moderately motivated .

So thusly , I'll predict 26K jumping to 100K as quickly as they can grind thru the process , with medium range numbers of 200K .

Easy transition for MD really, all they drop is the G&S, they can keep the rest of the process the same. In theory they could process applications faster with less time invested in the process but I think we all know the reverse will likely be true. All the streamlining down to about a 60-90 day process will vanish for awhile.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Double post

 

[Biggfoot44]

We already saw what happened with an influx of only 365 applications .

 

[teratos]

We already saw what happened with an influx of only 365 applications .

They’ll have to get rid of the interviews. When it’s deemed a civil right, peoples opinions won’t matter a lick. You are either adjudicated to lose your 2A right, or you haven’t. No gray area.

 

[DC-W]

They’ll have to get rid of the interviews. When it’s deemed a civil right, peoples opinions won’t matter a lick. You are either adjudicated to lose your 2A right, or you haven’t. No gray area.

That’s not clear. The questions are not solely based on G&S and background investigations themselves are not seen as unconstitutional.

 

[teratos]

That’s not clear. The questions are not solely based on G&S and background investigations themselves are not seen as unconstitutional.

Background is going to be all that’s constitutional. Your neighbors opinion won’t matter a lick.

 

[Occam]

Background is going to be all that’s constitutional. Your neighbors opinion won’t matter a lick.

If by "background" you mean "criminal history type background," but the MSP might consider it "background of your whole life, including your character." And assert that sure, nobody needs a G&S now, but they still have to have verifiably good character as reported by multiple people, themselves in good standing. I'm a cynic on this.